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Whitewavemark2 Fri 01-Nov-19 17:21:43

Farage has trousered a lot of money from a lot of gullible people since he started his company with no accountability whatsoever.

It is rumoured that he has squirrelled the money away and it isn’t available to fund candidates standing for his company.

Q. Can a company stand in a political election?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 01-Nov-19 17:24:30



Baggs Fri 01-Nov-19 17:40:20

"It is rumoured that....."

Whitewavemark2 Fri 01-Nov-19 17:42:10

This 2016 Nigel Farage soundbite about presidential interference hasn't aged well
"the American President getting involved in UK politics is a "monstrous interference". Oh, but that was in 2016.

jura2 Fri 01-Nov-19 18:15:37

Indeed- the irony is just beyond the beyond. Same as his 48/52 comment.

Labaik Fri 01-Nov-19 20:03:35

Are you defending Farage yet again Baggs?

Witzend Fri 01-Nov-19 20:12:28

Much as I dislike him, it's not just Trump. Obama saw fit to stick his oar in before the referendum, telling us how we ought to vote.
I'm not sure they'd appreciate us doing the same before their elections.

Baggs Fri 01-Nov-19 20:57:50

Wasn't aware I'd ever defended Farage, labaik. Evidence, please.

The phrase "it is rumoured that..." means that nobody knows anything substantive. Certainly nobody on this thread anyhow. That is all my comment meant. It's called philosphical scepticism. Healthy stuff.

Baggs Fri 01-Nov-19 21:00:53

Yes, quite, witzend. If it's interfering, then Obama did it too. We might as well accept that the chattering classes, especially those with political clout, whichever political flavour they espouse, simply must talk about whatever catches their attention.

We could just ignore them.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 01-Nov-19 21:12:45

Ooh baggs are you actually a Brexit supporter, or just happen to choose to comment on this thread whilst ignoring all the other political threads?

suziewoozie Fri 01-Nov-19 21:15:30

I find it astonishing that people think there is an equivalence between O’s comments and the 30 minute lie fest on national radio from Trump and his adoring acolyte. But I’ve put all this on another thread where it’s all been discussed already - plus a rather stomach churning cartoon for your delight.

Baggs Fri 01-Nov-19 21:16:03

Once a political thread gets too deep (long) I don't bother, ww. Too much effort required to read them. This one happened to be shallow enough for me to cope with at the point at which I jumped in ?

Labaik Fri 01-Nov-19 22:27:29

It was a long time ago so I can't unearth it. But it confused me that you seemed to be defending him even though you hadn't seen him on tv [something that leaves a lot of us in a state of nausea...].

Eloethan Sat 02-Nov-19 00:01:34

I think Obama was completely out of order to comment on the EU referendum. But this live radio discussion between Farage and Trump takes political interference to a whole new level.

Maybe some British people will have a positive take on this but there will also be many who won't be at all impressed with Trump, not least because he appears unable to put forward a rational, intelligible argument on any topic.

crystaltipps Sat 02-Nov-19 05:07:47

Trump’s vocabulary is that of a three year old, which unfortunately appeals to the many inarticulate and uneducated in this country and the US.

Baggs Sat 02-Nov-19 06:54:31

Pointing out the weakness in what poses as an argument is not a defence. The OP was simply attempting to smear. One doesn't have to like Farage to notice this. I know little about Private Limited Companies (next to nothing, in fact) but since they are overseen by Companies House they seem to be legitimate, just as Public Limited Companies are.

As I seem to have said before, I don't listen to Farage. At least, I soon switch him off if I come upon some political harangue of his online. I do this with all politicians actually. I guess I just don't like the way politicians speak. They present things in too black and white and simplistic a way.

I would point out the political smeariness of any OP aimed at any politician if I noticed it. I can't think of any politician whom I'd actively "defend" or whom I actually like. At the moment I find all of them pretty much equally exasperating.

ladymuck Sat 02-Nov-19 07:11:27

Let's be sensible. There is a general election coming up. There is going to be a lot of name-calling and blacking of reputations in a bid to influence the voting public. Let's just keep an open mind, shall we?

Pantglas2 Sat 02-Nov-19 07:13:42

I agree Bragg’s with your last sentence! And crystaltipps comments about Trump - he seems to only talk in headlines and sound bites. I think it’s because he’s a business man not a politician- should’ve stuck to what he was good at!

Pantglas2 Sat 02-Nov-19 07:14:28

Apologies Baggs- damned autocorrect!

Whitewavemark2 Sat 02-Nov-19 07:54:16

It will be interesting to see what damage Farage causes the Tory party, as make no mistake he can and has.

50-60% of UKIP votes went to the Tories in the 2017 election, so the Tories stand to lose quite a lot of votes. In fact more than Labour, who has factored in these votes already.

The majority of Labour voters in constituents that voted leave were in fact remain supporters, so little can be achieved from those constituencies if Farage is targeting Labour.

Labour leave voters are much fewer in number than people think.

Undoubtedly Johnson has far more to lose than Labour if Farage hits the election trail.

Joy! oh joy bring it on I say,!

This post is pure bias in case baggs feels the need to point it out as such?

Davidhs Sat 02-Nov-19 08:41:50

I’m surprised nobody has figured out the private limited company issue.

It’s tax avoidance, company tax is much less than personal tax, many celebrities use that loophole, also if your company goes bust and cannot pay debts you can walk away.

On that subject the new EU tax evasion rules come into force on 1st Jan, that’s why an election has been called so if they win the Tories can back out of any deal, all the fat cats have a great deal of money offshore

growstuff Sat 02-Nov-19 08:57:51

Spot on David! That's why the fat cats want Brexit in the first place.

Ginny42 Sat 02-Nov-19 09:10:29

60 years ago when I was a child my old Dad used to say... just watch the wealthy move their money if the LP win the election.

Well I can see that they generate wealth in their companies and create employment, but they can also move their manufacturing to suit as well, i.e. Dyson. A staunch Brexiter who has moved his outfit to Singapore. What price their loyalty to the British workforce then?

The super-rich have already set things in motion should the LP win. According to an article in the Guardian today, some have drawn up documentation which is awaiting their signature to transfer their wealth on December 13th.

It seems some, like Peter Hargreaves of Hargreaves Lansdown says that his family won't be leaving, he loves it here, but some will be going.

Is that what it's all about then? If the super-rich pull out the economy plummets, so we have to tolerate Tory party machinations in order to keep the wealthy on board?

lemongrove Sat 02-Nov-19 09:16:28

Good posts Baggs and also Eloethan I happen to agree with both of you.

lemongrove Sat 02-Nov-19 09:21:47

WWM2 your OP isn’t really about the politics of Farage but a sort of activist smear.Since you are already copying out the LP’s election promises on GN and promoting them shamelessly on this forum, I think you are going way beyond
‘Opinions’.However, I think this fervour will put off more voters than it attracts.