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Tooting29 Sat 02-Nov-19 22:06:05

Just been reading some of the threads and trying to make sense of the coming election and which party deserves my vote. I'm hoping the lovely gransnetters will help.

I voted remain - Lib Dems?
But respect the result and do not want a second referendum- Conservative?
I want a deal and orderly Brexit-Conservative/Labour?
I want an efficient properly funded and managed NHS - all parties will say this.
I am passionate about climate change and the environment- Green?
I am a WaSPi- none of them?
I want a good education for my grandchildren-they will all promise this
I work in the public sector- Labour?
I will never forgive David Cameron for the referendum - Lib Dems?
I am not a strong unionist and wouldn't object to more powers/independence for Scotland SNP
But I don't live there-Labour?
I'm pretty ambivalent about Northern Ireland as well and recognise they voted remain-SinnFein?
But I don't live there
Same for Wales Plaid Crmru
But I don't live there either.
I am a home owner and have savings-Conservative?
I live in a constituency with a fair Conservative majority- minor Parties do not field candidates Conservative/Lib Dems?
I think a strong economy is important to create job opportunities- they will all say this.
I believe society should support the most vunerable-they will all promised this too
I would be happy to pay more tax for NHS - Lib Dems
And come down hard on tax evaders and fraud-Labour
And benefit cheats-Conservative?
And criminals-Conservative?
I want to vote for a party with integrity-Greens (none of the others)
But Greens didn't stand in my constituency ?


Luckygirl Sat 02-Nov-19 22:11:42

No help forthcoming here - we are all in the mire together.

lemongrove Sat 02-Nov-19 22:15:52

I think after the way Parliament has behaved it will be the lowest electorate turn out in history!

Hetty58 Sat 02-Nov-19 22:18:26

There's no point in wasting your vote if the party has no chance of success in your area. So, take a look at the possibilities and ignore the minor ones.

starbird Sat 02-Nov-19 22:25:08

Stand yourself as an Independent ......

notanan2 Sat 02-Nov-19 23:15:42

I'm no help.

Want to vote moderate but both lib dem and green have gone "super woke" and betray women in order to win woke-votes (self ID. Saying that even the WORD "women" is "too triggering for some" etc).

I want to vote moderate but I dont agree with Lib dems on Brexit. I voted remain but I respect the vote.

I just wish that lib dems were true moderates.

So I'm stuck.

I might not vote. I always voted.

grannyactivist Sat 02-Nov-19 23:33:59

I would share your dilemma in a lot of respects, but I work with people on the margins of society and I have no faith whatsoever that a conservative government will provide the safety net that so many need - especially after so many years of needless austerity.

I am very fortunate that although I live in a town that has only ever voted conservative in living memory, we now have a wonderful independent candidate who I believe may overturn the years of Tory rule.

Were it not for her I would be torn between the Green Party and Labour, although I find it difficult to believe that Jeremy Corbyn is the right man to lead the country.

Fiachna50 Sun 03-Nov-19 00:30:21

I will probably do a protest vote. There are none of them that I would vote for.

Grany Sun 03-Nov-19 05:48:09

New green deal green industrial revolution
WASPI recognise and compensate
Build more homes social housing
Properly fund our NHS stop the privatisation
These are a few of Labour's plans and many more in their fully costed manifesto.
Jeremy Corbyn has been to three rallies with massive support but you don't get to hear this on the BBC or mainstream media My vote is Labour

Grany Sun 03-Nov-19 06:03:21

Clive Peedell
As a NHS cancer specialist, it’s my #publicduty to inform the public that the #NHS cannot withstand another five years of the Tories. We are at breaking point.
So are teachers, social workers, the police, prison officers, carers....

Anniebach Sun 03-Nov-19 08:46:02

if the Labour Party has a fully costed manifesto why did I receive an email in the week asking to help form their manifesto ?

Luckygirl Sun 03-Nov-19 10:36:07

Comment above about public services being at breaking point is what exercises my mind.

We cannot have another 5 years of a government that care not a jot for those at the bottom of the heap. Of such is anger and unrest born. It is no situation for a civilised nation to be in.

We cannot have 5 more years of a manipulative liar and cheat at the helm.

We cannot influence the outcome as much as we hope, as the voting system is so seriously flawed.

Basically we are impotent in the face of serious dangers.

jura2 Sun 03-Nov-19 10:37:26

Not easy, for sure. I just voted Green for Cantonal and National elections here. And for the first time, they had great success and now proper representation at both levels- including a wonderful young woman I go to know last few years. But we have proportional representation.

With the UK First Past the Post system- it is totally different. I have voted in every election since 1973, knowing full well, in advance, that my vote would go straight in the bin and not count. In my UK Constituency, the only possible tactical vote is Lib Dem- a tall order, but they actually stand a chance. So choice is clear.

Gaunt47 Sun 03-Nov-19 11:53:44

Jura, you're correct, the first past the post is never going to produce a definitive result in the country. In every constituency there will always be more people who voted against the winning candidate because of the proliferation of minor parties.
No doubt it worked when a bunch of blokes stood in the town square and stuck their hands up when the names of the one or two candidates were called out.
Sadly the LibDems lost the PR referendum all those years ago. People said, but that would result in an ineffective parliament. I can now say we've got that anyway.
What we need now is 600 Tim Bells, with or without white suits!

jura2 Sun 03-Nov-19 11:56:25

Most proportional representation systems have a minimum percent rule- to avoid the proliferation of 'silly parties'.

winterwhite Sun 03-Nov-19 12:12:14

A certain amount depends on the local candidates. My worst case scenario is an even more furious parliament dominated by hard line Brexiteers and Momentum. With the possibility of either of them staring me in the face I'd be tempted to vote for whoever looked most likely to defeat them.
Btw I think the prime. minister's constant assertion that a vote for anyone else will 'just let Jeremy Corbin in' is pathetic. What would be so very wrong with that in comparison with another 5 years of his self-serving government?

lemongrove Sun 03-Nov-19 14:59:41

Winterwhite can’t have Jeremy Corbyn without letting Momentum in!
This GE could be a very bizarre one.The likely outcome is a hung Parliament.Labour would form an alliance with the SNP
Try for another deal from the EU and then hold another referendum ( it would have to as the SNP would demand it, they would also demand another Scottish referendum) The Conservative party need a majority as no other parties would
form an alliance with them, things being what they are over Brexit.
If Corbyn did manage to become PM and next year holds a referendum on the EU, I shall vote Remain, not because I have changed my mind in any way, but because I would have no trust in Corbyn or any other politician now to negotiate anything good.

jura2 Sun 03-Nov-19 15:42:12

I really wonder which Constituency Johnson will finally stand in? the safest possible seat - I hear Rutland is a possibility.

jura2 Sun 03-Nov-19 15:44:00

Alan Duncan would be furious, to say the least. Can't imagine him campaigning for Boris, for sure. He'd be banging his head on his desk, again and again.

HootyMcOwlface Sun 03-Nov-19 15:46:10

You forgot one Tooting:
Millionaire/billionaire tax evader with a stash offshore? Conservatives

jura2 Sun 03-Nov-19 15:46:52

PamelaJ1 Sun 03-Nov-19 15:58:20

Great list Tooting.
Most of the people I’ve discussed this problem with are adrift too. Some leavers some remainders none of us can work out which bunch is capable of making anyone feel comfortable about the next few years.
I’m not sure a coalition would work, none of the parties have demonstrated that they would be happy to work together.

wildswan16 Sun 03-Nov-19 16:57:06

I am ignoring all issues (Brexit included). My vote will, for the first time, go to the candidate who I most respect, who I feel will represent the community, not chop and change their allegiances, and will not bring parliament or the constituency into disrepute by bad behaviour of any kind.

Tooting29 Sun 03-Nov-19 17:33:55

Thanks I am in real quandary on this. I voted Lib Dem last time as I admired Vince Cable and the moderate common sense policies. Jo Swinson is moving in another direction which bothers me. I am a rare breed that actually liked the Conservative/LibDem coalition as Lib Dems curbed the extremes of the Conservative party but I can understand that this would not work again as it all but killed off the Lib Dems. On many issues I align with them. Disaffected Conservative (I vowed I would never vote for them again after the Referendum) I voted for PR, I don't mind paying extra for national health, and I think a LIb Dem vote in my constituency could make a difference ( it used to be Lib Dem) but I live in a leave area. Labour are too far behind to make a difference. In the end I will do what I always do set my priorities and send emails to the candidates, and see how they respond and read the manifestos. Iknow I am not alone in this.

varian Sun 03-Nov-19 19:36:38

I was a reluctant supporter of the LibDem/ Con coalition but looking back that period of government was so much better than the undiluted Tory chaos we have seen since 2015.

The best possible vote now is Liberal Democrat to Stop Brexit.