Mogg

gonegirl I meant to add a smiley ?

Jabber how kind, thank you so much .

You put it so well gonegirl

Changing the subject briefly just to let you know that I am thinking of you Annie at this sensitive time of year.

whitewave we all do it at sometime or another.

Grandad please stop stirring. A number of us have tried to damp this issue down and turn this thread away from what looks like bullying and insulting a long standing and respected member of GN.

You do not agree with her, that's fine, I do not always agree with her, but am capable of doing this without bullying or insulting her.

You do yourself no service by trying to stoke the flames again.

As they are besties, so sweet ?

I thought you said you were leaving the thread gfp?

Grandad43 you were not sorry that you said I and many others may have played a part in the deaths of 144 people, you apologised because I found it distressing.

As you have not the foggiest what the outcome may have been ,no one does, you posted your opinion of us as partly responsible. As this disaster had never occurred before or after 1966 anywhere else in this country you had nothing to base your allegations on.

I have repeated what you posted to others and await their reply

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Some people enjoy being a victim and their little coterie huddles round and facilitates the situation.

Well, how about when anniebach states she never reads a forum members posts, but when that forum member posts on a past tragedy anniebach readily states she is upset by the content of the post.

Even then when the forum member apologises for upsetting her by the content of the post, but points out to anniebach that she had stated she never read the members contributions to the forum, anniebach will not accept that apology.

So, it may be worthwhile to end the attempt by some forum members to paint anniebach as someone who is always without fault, while those who state anything against her are in some way bullies of the worst kind.

With anniebach, the above is certainly not the situation in either circumstance.

This thread has some interesting comments about Mogg, his inappropriate offensive comments about Granfell and the Stay Put advice.
I try to avoid commenting on individuals, not always successfully and until now I've kept out of what I see as a number of unnecessarily nasty comments directed at Anniebach.
For what it's worth, I remember Annie in her total support of Corbyn period on gransnet. I'm familiar with the LP credentials of Annie and her ancestors/family. I also remember the growing sadness Annie expressed when her feelings about Corbyn as Labour leader began to change.

Some of the comments here have that sniff of playground bullying in them, of othering and isolating one individual in an attempt to exclude them or to make any comments posted by them, seem useless.

Annie and I have often disagreed on various threads, sometimes in a polarised way. Surely, that's one of the positives of a forum, that we 'talk' to people we don't always agree with. Surely we ought to be able to do that with a modicum of respect all round.

More deflection away from criticism of Jacob Reece Mogg.

Growstuff, I feel your reaction to me was rather extreme. I suggested the Yesbutnobut leave the thread only if she continued to berate Annie in such an unacceptable way. Other posters have noticed and commented on this, not just myself. You have admitted to Lemongrove that you didn’t know Annie’s Labour credentials therefore I don’t understand why you would be so extremely abrupt towards me.

monica ? I read your post as did not have

Some need to think back before the Corbyn leadership , how many
Labour MP’s were deselected because they didn’t vote with the whip ? How many were deselected because they criticised the party leader ? How many needed a police escort to attend a party conference ?

When did MP’s who were Jews leave the party ?

Sorry whitewave both parties have always had core philosophies. Their aims, until recently, have been similar, the improvement of the welfare of people in this country. They have just disagreed on how the best way to achieve it.

In recent years, well, starting from 1979, both parties have moved to the extremes, where philosophies have been lost and both have become obsessed around political, political correctness,

I waslistening to the radio today about a group of Iranians, who supported the Ayatollah's take over, but not his policies. For reasons irrelevant the community now live in Albania, in a closed community. the reporter was talking from someone who had just left them and he described an ageing and no longer effective group, so obsessed with making sure members followed all the rules of the group, that their purpose has long been lost, the group almost forgotten with no new reruits. They sounded very like our two main political parties.

Monica I don’t agree about you assertion that Labour has never had a core philosophy.

It is true until recently of the Tories.

Lest we forget.

Down and dirty.

Do tell growstuff , you are keen to judge, which party have I posted support for ?

growstuff My post was not written with you in mind.

I cannot speak for Anniebach but all her posts have been about her dislike of the current Labour party and attacking that cannot be described as not being socialist, just not being their definition of socialist.

As I said, political parties, especially the Labour party used to be broad churches encompassing a wide range of views, united by a core philosophy, this has now gone. Neither party has a core philosophy, or would even know what I was talking about if I were to ask what it was.

Both have become extremist cults.

MOnica I most certainly don't come from the extreme end of any party. What I'm saying is that I personally haven't seen Anniebach post anything socialist. I'm not a mindreader and had no idea of her past history or credentials.

maddyone I'm sorry, but I'm not having that. How dare you suggest that Yesbutnobut leaves the thread?

I really only judge people by what they write and I can only say that in the time I've been a member of GN, I haven't seen Anniebach post anything socialist. I didn't know anything of her history and, frankly, I couldn't really care how many former Labour MPs she's met. As I wrote, I judge people by what they write.

As it happens, I think Corbyn is a neo-hippy twonk and I wish he'd retire gracefully because I honestly don't think the Labour Party has a hope of being elected while he's leader. I hope I'm wrong because I think it's tragic that the appalling Johnson government probably won't be overthrown.

Generally, I avoid all battles between individuals, but I consider the attacks on Anniebach by Yehbutnobut to go way past anything acceptable and very close to reportable.

In the past all political parties, left right and centre, prided themselves on being 'broad churches'. Able to accommodate and accept people on both extremes. Both fervent rightwingers/leftwingers and those that were more centrist. The balance in each party shifted gently, first one way then the other and back again.

Sadly, in recent years both parties have fallen in to the hands of their extremists, who like all extremists spout a lot of tosh about democracy while acting like stalinists within their own party, brooking no deviation from the party line and rejecting all who do not stick to it religiously. In fact the nearest comparison one can give is with those cult religions who reject and anathamise any member who dares to query anything.

This is most obvious in the Labour party and anyone who can doubt AnnieBach's Labour and socialist credentials and history in the movement must, sadly, come from the extreme end of that party and while they must have the freedom to express their views, they should realise that the views they express must raise fears of 1984 in any non believer considering voting for Labour.