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How about you stop instead and get back to talking of politics.It seems to me that it’s you who has a problem.
Either don’t reply to a post you don’t like or look for threads that you prefer.

Thanks to Eloethan for attempting to return this thread to its OP. I agree with her that Shamima Begum was young and impressionable when she was groomed into her support for Daesh. She has given birth to three babies, all of whom are dead. She has a family here in the UK who want to care for her. Any rudimentary knowledge of the camps she's living in will confirm that it's very dangerous to say anything against Daesh. Those who do suffer dreadful consequences including their tents being set on fire, their children and themselves attacked.
The fact that some young people are more open to grooming than others is not a reason to exclude the majority from involvement in politics. When most of us were growing up, the voting age was 21 and when my grannie was young, women weren't allowed to vote. Listen to many young people being interviewed about politics and hear as many intelligent, informed comments (or the opposite) as you'd get from older people.

Can I make a suggestion? If those who so strongly object to Anniebach's views on JC avoid getting into heated debates with her, maybe that may help everyone. No offence meant to Anniebach, who is entitled to post as often as she wants about your views on Mr Corbyn. Where ever we stand on the allegations of a problem with anti semitism in the LP, it's clear that the leadership has a real problem in dealing with continuing allegations. Two people who are currently named as candidates in this current election have been shown to make anti semitic comments in recent years. They both apologise and say they were young and didn't realise etc. One says he has now visited Auschwitz and realises that anti semitism is dangerous and wrong. The Palestinian issue is of huge importance of course but support for the cause is too often linked to anti Jewish sentiment imo.

No one is objecting to debating with Annie or rather about the Labour party policies or what is said by any specific politician, Iam. My post doubting Annie's capacity has been deleted. Annie's comments doubting the capacity if anyone who does not agree with her about Corbyn - not the policies - are made time after time, after time. They are just as out of order as anything I have said. Someone called up the "attack the ball and not the person" phrase. I couldn't agree with that more but perhaps you, as you are happy to tell some of us what to do, could tell Annie to "attack the ball and not the people". After three years of it I have had enough. Rein in Annie's comments about other members and you will automatically stop those made about her.

As I used to tell my children when playground arguments erupted - just walk away.
Although I know that they would never stand back and watch someone vulnerable being bullied - they would always confront a bully.

If you are sure in your faith in Corbyn, can you not shrug and ignore?
Constantly reacting only adds fuel to the fire.

Firecracker
The two statements do seem to be contradictory, however, Shamima Begum was only 15 when she made the decision to go to Syria.
Personally I think that 18 is the right age to be given the vote, which gives rise to questions about marriageable age and other anomalies.

Callistemon, being polite I will reply to each and every post made about me. However, you have obviously been brainwashed by Annie - her intention perhaps? When have I or anyone else subjected to her attacks on our capacity to reason said we have "faith in Corbyn"?

I do wonder has there ever been another politician who has seen such things alleged about anyone who says something which agrees with the policies of the party they lead? Were Thatcher's supporters regarded as acolytes? I remember people were called "Blairites" but I don't think they were ever accused of blind, unthinking support for the man.

I think this has always been the Tory way trisher and it wouldn't matter who was leading Labour they would do exactly the same. Bullying, both as Brexiteers and where the election is concerned is the way of a Tory.

Have you seen the Tory-supporting newspapers this morning? More fake news. It will continue now until the election as they have an appalling record over the last 10 years and don't want anyone to talk about that.

Firecracker That picture was fact checked just a few ago on GN. Corbyn was not laying a wreath at the grave of the Munich terrorists!! I'm not going to repeat myself. By all means criticise Corbyn for his policies or ability to lead a political party, but please don't spread false news.

Why didn’t he say he wasn’t laying a wreath ?

He said - ‘I don’t think I was involved ‘ , surely he knew if he was or wasn’t involved ?

Growstuff, perhaps we should be feeling sorry for this affliction. It seems no one has anything good to say about the Tories so they have gone into reverse.

I will have to study the Labour Party more carefully. There must be something good about them for their opponents to try so hard to destroy them.

Maybe somebody would like to factcheck these claims. I don't have the time.

Annie is off again I see. Just how many times can someone try to prove something that has been shown to be untrue?

Am I in an echo chamber? This has all been explained to you Anniebach and I really don't have the patience to do it again, especially as you don't take any notice.

Nah, GracesGran I think they're due for an operating system upgrade and the hard drive can only cope by churning out the same stuff.

You could be right!

youtu.be/nzI-v36QMLM

I am quoting Corbyn growstuff

Ah Annie. Could you give it a rest? And don't start a full-on attack on any other politicians or I shall feel obliged to defend them too. Other than the Tories of course. They have their very own Ministry of Dirty Tricks which sadly over-rides the truth for a while.

All political parties have gone into overdrive where smears/
Dirty tricks are concerned........it’s what they do come election time.
If you can’t recognise that fact then you are truly brain washed by whichever party you support.

I'm afraid- the Tories have really won the medal here.

Did you see the Keir Starmer interview manipulation? The massive campaign against Corbyn, which you have swallowed hook and sinker...

Russian interference report - not published

Islamophobia investigation promised- shelved.

Investigation into illegal funds given to his fancy woman - shelved.

ETc, etc, etc, etc

lemon I don't think even you can link Annies statements to the GE. I will say she has been consistent in her postings. It must take real effort to maintain such absolute bias in the face of real evidence, well that or real paranoia. (In which case perhaps we need to make allowances and be understanding)

When you think of all the money poured in behind the Tory Fake News Machine - just look at today's silly headlines in the newspapers - I think we have a duty to expose it on behalf of the 60/70% who don't want a far-right government.

There’s something wrong with the maths here as 60-70% don’t want a far left one either!

Nobody said that they did, Pantglas. That 60- 70% will include moderate, one Nation, tories, LibDems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Greens and Labour.

I'd also point out that persistently saying that Labour is 'far left' doesn't actually make them so. It has been noted many times on GNet that Labour policies would be regarded as perfectly normal in other countries, such as Scandinavian ones, that are in no way 'far left'.

They're not even as 'far left' as the post WW2 Labour government which nationalised road freight, the railways, mining, steel production.. And we lived perfectly happily for years with centralised control of electricity, water. the post office..

"Perfectly happily"?? I remember when the trades unions of nationalised industries brought the country to its knees in the 70s. Miners' strike, electricity cuts, train drivers' strike etc. etc. They were not "perfectly happy" days.