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Corbyn at the Cenotaph and lays a wreath.

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GracesGranMK3 Sun 10-Nov-19 11:18:54

Not news or politics? Neither was the rubbish we have just seen elsewhere.

Pantglas2 Mon 11-Nov-19 10:09:07

I agree Anniebach- why would people trivialise it. If it’s important enough for the Queen to show her respect for the event at her age then it sums it up surely?

Opal Mon 11-Nov-19 10:20:24

GGMK3 "A day when the guns fell silent. That could be a hint."
And yet you start a political thread on the same day. "Do as I say, not as I do" springs to mind.

Nandalot Mon 11-Nov-19 10:46:52

Opal and Firecracker, this thread was started in response to Opal’sabout Corbyn’s non attendance at the Festival of Remembrance, so its timing is linked to the timing of yours, Opal and if it is propaganda, Firecracker, then so was Opal’s. They cancel each other out.

Anniebach Mon 11-Nov-19 10:56:05

Pantglas there was a mother and father attending whose 21 year old son had been killed.

Very elderly and young members of the Armed Forces remembering dead comrades .

I very much doubt they thought they were at a concert.

crystaltipps Mon 11-Nov-19 11:07:10

Yes it was a concert, albeit one with a solemn message. Were the parents of the lad outraged by anyone’s attendance or not? We should be told. I’m sure they attended to show their solidarity with others and to remember their son not to parade their grief in front of anyone in particular.

trisher Mon 11-Nov-19 11:14:04

I think anything which involves Leona Lewis and Lee Mead has to be regarded as a concert.

Anniebach Mon 11-Nov-19 11:15:26

It was not a concert , to call it so is, in my opinion , insulting to
those attending and the dead being remembered

trisher Mon 11-Nov-19 11:20:36

concert definition: 1. a performance of music by one or more musicians or singers

crystaltipps Mon 11-Nov-19 11:28:52

Nothing wrong with calling a “festival” which involves music and poems etc a concert. Would an orchestral production of Faurés Requiem be deemed a concert? Answer: yes even though it mourns a death. A concert is not necessarily frivolous.

crystaltipps Mon 11-Nov-19 11:29:31

Is calling it a “festival” An insult then?

Anniebach Mon 11-Nov-19 11:34:21

And a Priest

MaizieD Mon 11-Nov-19 11:43:25

I think that calling it a 'festival' seems a bit insulting, too, with its celebratory connotations. I can't 'celebrate' the fact that millions of men, women and children have been needlessly killed in the service of man's most ignoble institution, War. Many, many of them may have been heroic and worthy of praise, but they were victims of the ambitions of their 'rulers' and I mourn them as such.

However, 'concert', 'festival', it's just semantics.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 11-Nov-19 11:58:13

And yet you start a political thread on the same day.

Which political thread did I start today, Opal?

GracesGranMK3 Mon 11-Nov-19 12:15:15

Ah ha. You really have done Low-down Leavers/ERG Tory propaganda training haven't you Opal. First you try weaponising the remembrance of the deaths of those who fought, and then you also seem to have learnt the trick of doctoring something to make it appear to be the opposite. At the very least that is unethical, at worst, such as with Kier Starmer, it is a lie. What I said is:

"Today is Armistice day. A day when the guns fell silent. That could be a hint."

I hate to think all Tories are liars - but they keep proving that is just the case.

jura2 Mon 11-Nov-19 13:41:05

'"Corbyn" and "statesmanlike" don't belong in the same sentence.'

well, Johnson's ineptitude, contradictions, lies and more lies...
do help make Corbyn look and sound statesmalike in so many ways. As for the BBC making a 'simple mistake' by showing the 2016 footage of Johnson at the cenotaph in 2016, looking much fitter and better turned out, not stepping out of line all at the wrong time and then laying the reef upside down - I don't believe a word of it. They were probably told to do it by Cummings and co.

And I am no fan of Corbyn either.

varian Mon 11-Nov-19 13:50:11

The BBC have released a statement saying it was a “production mistake” to use a 3 year old video of Boris Johnson to cover up the mess he made of himself at the Centotaph yesterday. Question: How do you make a mistake like that? Did the 3 year old footage sneak out of archives?

twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1193866665932537858?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

jura2 Mon 11-Nov-19 13:52:40

exactly- nonsense. So the question is- did the BBC deliberately do it- or were they instructed to do so and by whom.

varian Mon 11-Nov-19 13:56:36

The Brexit Broadcasting Corporation is just doing what it has done for years, ever since it started to promote liar Farage on QT.

MarthaBeck Mon 11-Nov-19 14:19:00

I hate some of the snide remarks about politicians priorities in respect of the remembrance service. The lies about JC in our media have been appalling, at least he was not the politician who put the wreath down upside down.

trisher Mon 11-Nov-19 14:19:36

Unbelievable!

jura2 Mon 11-Nov-19 14:45:15

Calendargirl '' Yes, he might have looked better with his coat buttoned up, but was probably more comfy with it loose. As for his hair, that is how he has it, what would we say if he came with it all flat and Brylcreemed?''

well, I tend to agree. I like to judge people over their deeds rather than their appearance. And yet- the outcry and hypocrisy is re the double standards. The massive criticism of Corbyn last year wearing a smart anorak in very cold weather last year by those who now say ... what you said above.

jura2 Mon 11-Nov-19 14:45:57

And if you look at the footage of Johnson in 2016- his hair is well cut and tamed- so it can be done without tons of brylcreem.

grapefruitpip Mon 11-Nov-19 15:02:12

I would have thought with the rescources available, a smart, professional appearance could be achieved by one and all.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 11-Nov-19 15:07:16

Clear confirmation of the BBCs bias.

BBC Breakfast
@BBCBreakfast

This morning on the programme we incorrectly used footage from a Remembrance Day service that was not filmed yesterday.

This was a production mistake and we apologise for the error.

Howard Goodall
@Howard_Goodall

I've worked in TV for 40 years. The idea that a 'production error' makes a neat cut at exactly the point where the prime minister takes his wreath and cuts back neatly afterwards, inserting 3-year-old footage of that exact same moment is insulting & laughable. Tell the truth.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 11-Nov-19 15:10:48

And this.

Patrick Howse

As a former producer on BBC Breakfast, I think you need to explain this more fully. The edit avoided showing the Prime Minister placing his wreath upside down on the Cenotaph. He was also dishevelled. It's not your job to make the PM look good.