Tactical voting - again!

notspag I so agree

THIS is EXACTLY why we needed to separate the General Election from leaving/not leaving/type of leaving the EU.
It makes me so cross as it is trying to find the least worst option. In MY area I have no voice.
SO annoying.
(Sorry to shout)
Arghhhhh!
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A couple of pointers

Winchester: CON 45, LD 43, LAB 11
St Albans: CON 40, LD 40, LAB 17
Lewes: CON 44, LD 43, LAB 10

If you are remain labour vote Lib Dem in these areas.

Looking at the poll trackers,

I wouldn't be too convinced by the polls, Ug. I've seen some pretty odd weightings recently.

However, I believe that to poll for a Labour Candidate even if he or she has little chance of winning that seat on December the twelfth would be a statement of support for the fairer society proposed through radical change that are the Labour movement core policies.

I thought that way for years, Grandad. Unfortunately it doesn't convince many in the electorate and in our current situation it would be downright foolhardy to depend on a sudden change in voting behaviour.

The current imperative is to get the tories out by the most effective means.

Tactical voting sites.

Excellent site

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"Get brexit done" is an attempt to deceive the millions who are fed up to the back teeth with brexit that voting Tory will put an end to it.

The fact is that it would only be the beginning of years and years of wrangling over trade deals

The fact is that BJ's deal does not remove the risk of a disastrous no deal brexit at the end of next year

Tha fact is that, with the exception of a tiny number of tax dodging billionaires and disaster capitalists, we would all be worse off compared to remain in the EU.

The fact is that the only true message we must get across is STOP BREXIT

Davidhs Quote [ Clem Attlee had an ace up his sleeve, the NHS with universal appeal, after WW2 an overwhelming carrot for all the middle ground to get behind.] End Quote.

Davidhs, I believe the same can be stated for the present time. The housing crisis, the gig economy, zero-hours contracts and much else can be added to the NHS.

The above alongside bringing forward a fairer more equal society is a question of belief. No one is stating that it will be achieved easily, but a vote for Labour on December the twelfth will be a deep statement in that conviction whatever, on the surface, the chances of the Labour candidate winning in any constituency are.

Regards tactical voting:

Looking at the poll trackers, the Conservatives are on a trajectory for close on 45% of the vote if the Brexit party vote continues to collapse in the way it has done so far.

Seems to me that the Leave bloc is far more cohesive than the Remain bloc and barring some unforeseen event, Boris will be returned with a comfortable majority.

Once again, Leave has come up with a simple slogan "Get Brexit Done" that Remainers may fulminate against, but cannot agree on anything that can compete with it!

The hours must pass so quickly in your household Grany

The Labour Party is launching the #LabourManifesto in Birmingham, I’ve just found it on the Labour party website. Please, download it, read it, share it - it’s a thing of beauty. ❤️?#GE2019 #VoteLabour labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Real-Change-Labour-Manifesto-2019.pdf

MaizieD Quote [ Labour cannot get a working majority in this election] End Quote.

MaizieD, your above statement may or may not be true. However, I believe that to poll for a Labour Candidate even if he or she has little chance of winning that seat on December the twelfth would be a statement of support for the fairer society proposed through radical change that are the Labour movement core policies.

If sufficient people think in terms of the above, then anything is possible on Election day. Remember, all the press believed that Winston Churchill would command a landslide victory in 1945, but the electorate thought differently.....did they not.

Clem Attlee had a ace up his sleeve, the NHS with universal appeal, after WW2 an overwhelming carrot for all the middle ground to get behind.

Grandad, the “affiliate activists” as you call them need to be much more realistic in their choice of party leader and the reforms that the are demanding. Reforms cannot be made unless you win a decent majority in parliament, even then the policies have got to be sensible. The need to look back and learn the lessons of history, in a democracy extreme policies don’t last.
Our generation remembers the chaos that the Wilson/ Callaghan era brought, the policies were not extreme at all but it all got out of control and allowed Thatcher to win 3 elections. We will see what the election brings, if there is a hung parliament it’s hard to see any effective administration until the Brexit issue is resolved permanently.

It's no good voting for them where the vote would be split to let the Tories in. Please face facts, Grandad.

Labour cannot get a working majority in this election

People who believe that Britain requires radical change need to get fully behind the Labour movement for such change will never come about by "tinkering around the edges." Coalitions bring fudge and compromise in their wake which in the case of the Cameron and Clegg coalition government made many of this countries dilemmas worse rather than better. In that administration, both leaders broke pledges to their own supporters and activists, and that should never occur.

Pragmaticism and compromise has its place in many circumstances, but if anyone believes that Britain needs radical change, that is now being put forward by the Labour movement. However, That change will never be achieved by engaging in coalition with any other English party for none have the now profound left wing beliefs that Labour now holds at its core.

As I stated in an earlier post in this thread, Labour is now on the same political ground that the Clement Attlee Labour government occupied in 1945. That government proved to be the greatest peacetime government this nation has ever possessed.

Therefore, if any member of the electorate wishes to get behind real change then there can only be one choice on the ballot paper and that is Labour. Anything else outside of Tory or Labour is a vote for compromise and fudge and perhaps witnessing Britains problems become even deeper.

The choice could not be clearer.

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I thought to myself the Lib Dems couldn't possibly be stupid enough to consider another coalition with the Tories. Then I saw Ed Davey try to convince Andrew Neil they could get a Labour style ref WITH the Tories! Now I'm utterly convinced they will put Johnson in power. #GE2019

Allowing the Tories to get a majority at this election will do unimaginable damage to our country, politically, socially, economically and morally. We will be a satellite of either the US or Russia. Hobson's choice. Except it won't be our choice, it will be Boris Johnson's. He seems to be hedging his bets. The Russians already hold sway over the Tory party and own a substantial part of our capital city, but at least they won't get their hands on the NHS - that has been promised to Trump.

The cold fact, Grandad is that there are constituencies where Labour has absolutely no chance of winning. The choice is between voting for another party to get the tories out or voting Labour in an unwinnable constituency, splitting the vote and letting the tories back in. I think the first is a more pressing need.

I absolutely agree that the Labour Plan is what the country needs, but we have to be realistic at this time.

Sorry spelt your name wrong here spelt correctly Grandad1943

Hear Hear Well Said Granddad1943

growstuff, in regard to your post @09:14 today, I did not make any comment in regard to whether the Labour Party would win the General Election on not, for that is still to be decided.

What I did comment on was that the Labour movement as a whole are offering a complete alternative to how the governance of Britain has been perceived for many decades. In that, those voting Labour will be casting their choice for a complete change in policies and principles that has seen nothing in its resemblance in over seventy years.

Therefore, certainly among the affiliate activists in the Broader Labour movement, they would wish for no one to vote tactically, but to vote as Labour in full support of the principle of radical change even if in this election their local candidate would seem to have little chance of winning that seat.

Indeed, speaking to some of those affiliate activists in the last few days, they believe that a few years of unrestricted Johnson doctoring such as cutting workers rights and witnessing the NHS declining still further and being sold off, could bring that radical change into being far quicker than being engaged in any coalition government that achieves little towards that end.

In Labour that is the choice.

Same here silverlining. My useless Tory has a 28,000 majority and I can't even begin to describe how absolutely awful she is. She really did spot a gravy train and hopped on it.

The people who can afford to vote with their conscience are those who live in places where their vote doesn't even matter.