Another who ‘won’t follow a clown’

What kind of dumb comment is that?

Who are " the left"

Somebody has had a humour bypass op. Quick! Call another surgeon!

To bypass humour it has to be there in the first place. Your standards of what constitutes something funny are very low lemongrove and I, for one, am not going to bring mine down to meet them.

So Oopsminty is it polite to refer to Labour Party supporters as 'Corbyn worshippers'?

Oooh, somebody needs to get back in the knife drawer pdq.

Not exactly an insult when there do appear to be some on GN
trisher ( and some in real life too.)

varian why should the Lib Dems leader be on the tv debate alongside Johnson and Corbyn?
Remind me how many MP’s they actually have these days?

How can you compare worshipper with idiot?

There are three party leaders who are fielding candidates in over 600 constituencies.

These three are the only candidates for PM

In 2010 the leaders of the three parties took part in tv debates and it was universally acknowledged that the LibDem leader shone. The other two just kept saying "I agree with Nick"

In the national election for MEPs earlier this year the Liberal Democrats gained more votes than the total of the Tory and Labour Parties put together.

Both Johnson and Corbyn are leavers but for more than two years polls have shown that most UK voters want to Remain in the EU. It is outrageous that there is no remain voice in these debates. The LibDems are the strongest party of remain.

That is why the LibDem leader Jo Swinson should be taking part in the tv leaders debates.

Send in the clowns.
Don’t bother they’re here.

varian you know as well as I do, that back then the Lib Dems had quite a number of MP’s in Parliament, now they only have a few.

Swinson is taking part, quite rightly , with all the other minority political parties on tv.

The LibDems currently have no MPs, exactly the same number a the Tories and Labour.

By all reports tonight's tv debate has been a flop which, with luck, will not help either participant.

I'm not sure TV debates really change people's minds, the participants are coached to deliver sound bites . IMO most people's minds are firmly made up, but a few may be changed by local issues such as the recent flooding.

I am definitely not a "worshipper" of Corbyn, but I do care about our society and how selfish and aggressive things have become, and how many are marginalised, particularly the vulnerable and old.

The Tories will probably win the election, purely on Brexit, and sadly in the future it will be more of the same.

You say Corbyn is a leaver as if it is a fact Varian. What evidence do you have? Not that how any party leader votes would sway how I choose to vote. I can only think Johnson's constant repetition of "the question" is aimed at people who can't think for themselves.

I do think it's interesting that the ERG Tories are not bringing their manifesto until the last minute. It seems difficult for anyone to actually "debate" without them.

Paradoxically, I think it is because he does have integrity and prefers not to lie, that Corbyn is so reluctant to say whether he is a remainer or a leaver. He has a forty year record of Euroscepticism and does not appear to have changed his mind. All the other party leaders make it quite clear where they stand on brexit.

Why on earth should Corbyn come down on one side or the other. He has said emphatically that the LP would negotiate a deal and then put it to the public and abide by the result. It means he knows there are different viewpoints and he respects them all. That's what someone with an open mind does. That's what the LP does. "The Labour Party is not a Leave party or a Remain party, it is a socialist party"

Well said trisher. I guess the Tories must be a tadge rattled by putting out false tweets during the debate.

I too thought that 'clown' must refer to Boris. Jeremy doesn't want to lose the leave or remain voters so I think it's a clever choice to sit on the fence for now.

Should leaders sit on a fence ?

No!

Corbyn is not sitting on the fence. It is quite clear he has mixed feelings on the EU. He will negotiate a deal which will probably includes a customs union (not the same as the Single Market) and then present the electorate with a choice ...that Brexit deal or stay in the EU.

His own personal feelings are irrelevant as he is being totally Democratic by saying he will go, no quibble, with the result.

What’s hard to understand?

PS the only 3rd way is leave with no deal which has been ruled out.

Quite agree greeneyedgirl. The cult of the individual is here to stay.

Yes, leaders should sit on fences, on occasion. Having a wait and see policy is often the best policy, but where Brexit is concerned, no, it smacks of a leader leading from behind and following the pack.