Another who ‘won’t follow a clown’

What pack would that be Monica? Please explain how your clichés apply and to what.

Yehbutnobut, democratic? NO! The majority voted to leave. To have another vote (with the option of staying) is undemocratic!

....oh dear.... does anyone still believe that - after all we have learnt since - surely not

It is very worrying that both Tory and Labour are led by "Clowns". It is even more worrying that free thinking MP's of both parties who have left their respective parties have been replaced by new candidates made to swear allegiance to their "Clown" leaders. Both main parties claimed to be "Broad Churches", are we doomed to a parliament of Stooges led by Clowns?

I just hope that there are enough LibDem and SNP MP's in a hung parliament to thwart the wildest excesses of the Clowns.

I’m not sure how another vote is “undemocratic”. We haven’t had 5 years of this current parliament yet - now we are having another election- is that “undemocratic”?

how is this election 'democratic' - how many do we have to endure FGS.

As for John Thomas- you do wonder what goes through parents' minds when they name kids. There was another John Thomas in Leicester who was an excelllent physiotherapist, and blind. Always a joke at the squash club!

Oh come on!
All the other political party leaders have a position on Brexit!
Corbyn can’t say which way he favours in case he puts off the voters, it’s as simple as that, nothing to do with honour or integrity.If he says he favours Leave, he pleases the Labour voters, if he says Remain he pleases the membership.He’s fence sitting as usual in case voters are pissed off with what he says.
He could easily say, we will have another referendum, and voters can choose between his EU deal and Remain, and that he will honour it, but he himself favours Leaving ( or Remaining.) there would be nothing wrong with saying that at all, it would clarify his position.But he refuses to do so because he is a weasel.

I think that the general public see through him on this matter, even if leftwing GNers do not.

....should have said ( above) he pleases the Labour Leave voters.

I don't believe Brexit is a party political issue. Surely both main parties are divided on this, and this was not a major issue for many Tory MPs, just a small hard core group, until the referendum, when dissenters have had to tow the party line, or face expulsion.
Boris wasn't a committed Leaver either.
I think Corbyn is doing the right thing.

Again, as someone that doesn't really like Corbyn, I think most of his problem with Brexit comes from the fact that he respects democracy and feels the only way to do so, with the realisation that Brexit is bad for this country, is to put it back to the people but this time giving them facts not lies.

I have made it clear for a long time, that Corbyn's fence sitting was excruciatingly annoying and counter productive.

But I think his current position is clear- and that he is right to say he will wait to see what deal he can negotiate, before making up his mind. I've also been very clear that a 'cake and eat it with unicorns on top' is very very likely to happen. Free Movement of People is non negotiable, that is clear. And the EU cannot and will not, give a leaving country a deal which puts them in a more favourable position than that of its members. For very obvious and fair reasons.

But... you never know. It is perfectly fair to say 'if I get the deal I want, I will campaign for it' but if I don't- then I will campaign to remain. Simples- and I am NO Corbynite, for sure.

When voters who are concerned by Brexit do not know a leader’s position, ( bearing in mind that this GE is all about Brexit) then it affects their voting patterns.
Labour Leave voters ( doubting what they see from Corbyn) can now only vote for the Conservatives or the Brexit Party.
Remain Conservatives will vote either Conservative or Lib Dem and Conservative Leave voters for the Conservatives of course.Labour Remain voters ..if they really want to try and stop Brexit, will vote Lib Dem.

well, at least it is an honest position- and people will vote accordingly.

Apologies and correction

I've also been very clear that a 'cake and eat it with unicorns on top' is very very likely NOT to happen.

Well, we know Johnsons position which is that of someone who, after being pro EU for most of his life, suddenly decided to spearhead the leave campaign, assuming that leave would lose but that it would further his own political ambitions. He's proving to be as bumbling and ineffectual a leader as May; something I never thought was possible. He makes Corbyn look positively statesmanlike....

Don't much care for either Johnson or Cornyn, on both policies or personality.

Corbyn, damn auto correct!

phoenix; I've actually joined the LibDems because of my dislike of Corbyn but, to my surprise, found myself really warming to him last night. Neither of them knew what questions were going to be asked but Corbyns quick replies to some of them [compared to Johnson who just tried to turn everything back to Brexit] showed him to be a very thoughtful, caring person. And I honestly can't believe I'm thinking/saying this.

same here Labaik

I agree with Hetty.

David Davis; 2012 'If a democracy cannot change it's mind it ceases to be a democracy....'

Of course Boris is harping on about Brexit because he doesn't want to discuss what's happened to our police force numbers, the NHS, schools, homelessness etc. - does he?

Labaik that’s what happens when you keep an open mind. I had exactly the same ‘road to Damascus’ experience when I listened to him actually considering the questions put to him and answering them honestly in the 2017 election debate.

Labaik?I think an open mind is good. I was a Remainer and tempted by Lib Dems and some of their sensible policies, but as a socialist I can't stomach Jo Swinson as their leader.

You just have to check out her voting history on Welfare to see what she's about. I also find her arrogant and uncompromising.