Murdered in New Zealand

I haven't read about the trial, I looked at her picture, her age and that she was murdered. I didn't want to know about her sex life. The fact is that she was murdered and from what I understand he then went out on another date, put her in a suitcase and buried her. I wish the death penalty was back. He is a monster. He didn't have one victim that day, her parents and family will live with that lovely girls loss every day as long as they live. How they will go on I don't know. How people like Lady Muck can justify any of it shows us the people we have in our midst, it was a heinous mobstrous crime against a beautiful girl that wanted to travel, as thousands do, she was so very unlucky to meet up with that pevert.i never read 50 shades, I think books like that denigrate and debase women. Young vulnerable women think it's normal. It's not, All these porno shows coming on the television normalise casual sex, no love in it. The expectation to look a certain way and alter your appearance until you do, such a lot of rubbish.

Choking needs to be made illegal during sex. Impossible to enforce but it's about changing the culture. Poor girl. And it is not just her there have been a number of women who have been killed and then the rough sex excuse is used.

No ladymuck that wasn’t a sexual thrill game that ‘went wrong’. The post Mortimer showed pressure to her windpipe (and bruising - sorry for the graphic detail) that could only have occurred by sustained pressure of between 5 and 10 minutes. Just think about that and let it settle.

A doctor said because she was young and healthy if that pressure had been lifted for a short time Grace would have survived.

RIP Grace

galaxy it’s normal for a few posters thankfully not many are so cruel and heartless

A woman with great heart I see ladymuck so what are you really saying that it was her own fault ? Yes I do despair at people like you with so little empathy for another human being

Is this normal for Gransnet? I am new here. Utterly foul comments.

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Thanks, as I don't read newspapers (they are all such liars) I hadn’t seen his name so was just going by the TV news etc
Not only did he murder her but took explicit photos of her dead body and merrily went off on another date whist her body was still in his room and before he had bundled her into a suitcase (how he managed that I can’t imagine she didn’t look tiny) and buried her and you think it should have been manslaughter ladymuck I despair

Firstly, condolences to the family and friends of this young lady. Have to agree with Chestnut. I trust no one, it is unfortunate that sometimes on holiday your guard is not what it should be. You relax more and I think you are less wary. Having said this I absolutely detest Tindr and have warned some younger friends not to use it. There have been sadly other murder victims who have met someone on it. I think this app attracts alot of strange people. I mean no disrespect to the young lady, I just want people to be careful out there.

His biggest crime was trying to dispose of her body. He should have called the police and explained what had happened

I don’t think so. ?.

The 1950s is alive and well and living on GN.

Ladymuck his biggest crime was trying to dispose of her body? Tell that to her family.

If her death occurred as the result of a sex game to which she consented, the man should be charged with manslaughter, not murder

That was indeed the job of the jury ladymuck and they have decided it was murder.
To lose a daughter is bad enough, to have her reputation and morals brought in as a “contributory factor” is unforgivable. Those poor, poor people.

Early on before the case started, the rag aka the DM was criticised in NZ for revealing his name. All they said was that NZ law didn’t apply here. True but morally indefensible. My understanding is that his name is suppressed in NZ as he may exercise his right to appeal. How typical that our gutter press in return for a cheap headline would jeopardise that poor family getting justice. It matters not a jot to anyone in the UK what his name is but many of us care about her family.

I absolutely agree about the inappropriateness of trying to blame the victim on the basis of their actions. The blame lies squarely with the perpetrator.

On one level I feel that women should be able to behave however they wish and still be safe from such barbaric behaviour on the part of men. But I guess we all advised our DDs about safe behaviour. I know I certainly did.

What a dreadful situation for her poor parents to have their grief tainted by what must feel to them deeply embarrassing public revelations about the DD whom they loved.

That was a lie that he used to hide what he did. There is a current campaign to introduce legislation that no one can consent to being killed during sex. I hope it is successful.

If her death occurred as the result of a sex game to which she consented, the man should be charged with manslaughter, not murder. His biggest crime was trying to dispose of her body. He should have called the police and explained what had happened.

BlueBelle he was named earlier today and his photo is all over the internet along with quotes from his family members. As his name is still suppressed in NZ I thought it wise not to repeat it here.

Women would be much safer if they had no contact with men whatsoever. Strangely no one advocates that do they.

Totally agree Chesnut. Safety in numbers is more sensible than individual friendships with people you know absolutely nothing about.

Bluebelle
His photo and name has been on the DM site since lunchtime.

Technically he cannot be named for the foreseeable future but in this day and age news can come from numerous media and it was obvious someone would put his name (and photos) out there. There is a difference.

I'm a great believer in groups and safety in numbers. Travelling and meeting people with other friends is magical, but going somewhere private and lonely with a stranger is never a good idea. You need to know the person properly before you put yourself in a vulnerable position.

granny activists I don’t know where you got that he’d been named from The BBC news has just said he cannot be named for legal reasons that’s at 6pm

Yes mine all travelled and my grandkids have now started the second eldest (19) travelled to Cambodia Vietnam loved every minute then back packed through Europe inter railing