Tory manifesto

The Tory manifesto has nothing to say about the biggest issue that is likely to affect members of this forum

Social care

That makes shocking reading.

The very notion of a "good brexit" is a complete fraud and a fantasy. The billionaire Tory backers want out of the EU because they don't want to submit to scrutiny of their tax dodging.

Dominic Cummings said Tory MPs do not care about poor people or NHS

This is the man behind Johnson. Hear him for yourself in this short video-

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/30/dominic-cummings-tories-do-not-care-about-poor-people-or-the-nhs

Exactly WW2 but apart from the principle that a society should care for those less able, be it through age, sickness, poverty, etc this affects all of us.

Uneducated, unemployable youths are a drain on society and even a threat,

Elderly folks blocking up beds through lack of social care affects me if I need an operation

Beggars and homeless on the street upset me by the injustice of it

I might be that person waiting on a trolley in A&E in ten years time

Children living in poverty come to school underfed and unable to concentrate and can disrupt my grandchildren’s education

Just a few example.

It’s no good thinking ‘I’m all right Jack’ there is an affect on society and therefore on us,

yehbut I’m in exactly the same financial position as you.

Very comfortably off, but my principles simply will not allow me to vote for greater child poverty, poorer education, an imploding NHS. On and on it goes.

How can I from my “oh so comfortable position” turn my back on the millions of children in this country? And allow the Tories to destroy everything my parents and I have worked for since the 1940s.

WW2 surely nobody really believes dead in a ditch October 31st Boris blether can deliver a good Brexit?

I’m comfortably off in retirement. A state pension an excellent works pension, no mortgage, saving, etc.. so a Tory government will not affect my own cosy existence....

unless the NHS isn’t able to cope with my needs as I grow older
unless there is no police or fire officers ready to respond to an emergency
unless I need advanced social care
unless the education my grandchildren receive is inferior to the one I benefitted from
and so on

So unless you can afford private health care, nursing homes, education then be afraid...

So many Tories are concerned about what will happen with Johnson in government

Michael Heseltine utterly devastating for
@BorisJohnson
on
@BBCr4today
making it clear that it is nonsense that ‘Get Brexit Done’ does what it says on the tin. Rather is starts Years of negotiation, years of uncertainty and then still the possibility of No Deal...

The paucity of the Tory manifesto should concern us considerably.

Rather than celebrating the fact that it is making no promises we should reflect on what it actually means in practice.

Nothing for the NHS except lies.

Bed numbers are at an all time low in England. More than 17230 have been cut since the Tories came to power in 2010 and there is nothing to suggest that this loss of beds will reverse.
Winter crises will have severe effects, with dismissing numbers of hospital staff left to cope.
The Tory pledge to recruit 50000 nurses has been shown to be absolutely fake.

The situation is becoming impossible.

Nothing promised for Welfare.

Child poverty is set to continue to rise.

By 2023, every third child you see in the street will be being brought up in poverty.
Nothing that recognises the scandal of food banks.
Nothing being down to alleviate the harshness if UC.

Absolutely nothing for WASPI women, many of whom are experiencing real poverty.

A promise to bring police numbers to the level at which the Tories inherited from the Labour Party, but it is vague and without any substance.

No tax rises. Presumably this will be possible because further cuts to public services will be carried out.

The triple lock on our pension will be retained.

Zero emissions by 2050. Improve energy efficiency in social housing.
Points based immigration system.

Brexit by January. This is the biggest and most expensive item in the manifesto. The cost will be billions, and the manifesto is entirely unclear how this will be paid for.

Presumably you also realise JenniferEccles that over half of those claiming Universal Credit are in work, but it doesn't pay enough. I'm sure you also realise that many of those claiming Universal Credit because they are unemployed have in the past been employed and paid tax and National Insurance. One of the purposes of National Insurance is as an insurance for periods of unemployment, so they're perfectly entitled to being paid - at a rate which genuinely gives enough to live in. I'm sure you're also aware that Local Housing Allowance means that people rarely receive the full amount of their rent, so they have to use money intended for other purposes, such as food or heating. I expect you're also aware that benefits have been frozen for years, unlike the state pension, which has been increased by the rate of inflation.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but weren't you whinging just a few days ago that the Marriage Tax Allowance could be scrapped, which would mean you'd lose £5 a week?

£2 billion for potholes
£1 billion for childcare

A pothole is worth 2 children!

Greeneyedgirl- you beat me to it, about the film 'Sorry we missed you' harrowing and describes so well that those unemployment figures are pure nonsense- and the reality of modern slavery in the UK.

JenniferEccles

You do realize that working over 1 hour a week counts as employment, don't you?
In other words, take employment/unemployment figures with a big pinch of salt!

Of course no one thinks that all those claiming benefits are unable to work - large numbers of them every month will be people who have just been made redundant and need support while finding another job, or young people who are entering the jobs market for the first time. A lot of them will find work within a few months, but be replaced by others in similar circumstances, meaning the figures don't change much.

I get the impression that when some people see the unemployment figures, they see that figure as representing a static bunch of scrounging wasters who have never done a day's work in their lives (a view encouraged by the right-wing press)!
It doesn't seem to cross their mind that this view is incorrect.

We have the lowest level of unemployment for decades so there is work out there.

Obviously I realise that there are some people too sick or disabled to work and they should be helped but the Welfare State supports millions.

It’s impossible that all those claiming are genuinely unable to work.

Johnson has announced that £1.8bn of new money would go to the NHS. Sally Gainsbury of the Nuffield Trust wrote: “The truth is that NHS leaders across the country won’t see this billion as extra funding, but rather the removal of a freeze on cash they already have.” If anything, Hancock tells even more fibs about the NHS than Johnson. Last year he cited NHS workforce figures to claim the number of GPs had risen by more than 1,000 between June and September 2018. After complaints to the UK Statistics Authority, Hancock backed down. Johnson and Hancock promise that the NHS is “off the table” in any trade negotiations with Donald Trump. Given their persistent record of telling whoppers, I can’t see why anyone should believe them.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/11/peter-oborne-s-diary-boris-johnson-s-nhs-lies-my-bulging-dossier-deceit-and

I challenge you JE to go and see Ken Loach's film "Sorry I missed you" to see the reality of what getting back to work means in our dysfunctional society, and see if you feel the same way.

If you want the truth about the Tory promises in their manifesto I suggest you take a look at "full fact.org". The 50,000 nurses, for a start is misleading. It includes trying to encourage 18,500 nurses who intend leaving to stay, and encouraging those who have left to return.

Oh come on does anyone seriously believe a word of the manifesto? From the 40 new hospitals which apparently are real although all that has been done is that plans have been drawn, to the 50,000 nurses, (19000 already working for the NHS) and the social housing offered last time It's all b**-s**
As for the police and pot holes, cut and massively reduce numbers and budgets and, payments to LEAs etc then step in to say you'll rescue them

Do you have any idea about the level of benefits JenniferEccles? Really? There would be (and is) plenty of incentive to find work. To be perfectly honest, you don't know what you're talking about.

‘fruit’ ??

He's fruit UG. You need brave leaders who stand up for what they believe. No those who are led by the nose by their spin makers.

Well no but investment is in place.

I would disagree though about‘derisory’ benefits. The idea of course is to get people off benefits and back to work.

If they were any more generous than they already are, there would be no incentive to work would there?

I find it impossible to believe that there are millions incapable of working .

Do you know, I’m wondering if Boris is keeping a tight rein on spending - not going crazy - because they are the only party promising Brexit and he knows they might well need some money in their war chest to mitigate (at first) the initial effects of our separation.

Sensible man.

jennifereccles ''Tories in 9 year have borrowed a trillion pounds- that is 111.11 billion per year. Tories have borrowed 7.5 times more than Labour and doubled what Labour borrowed in their total of 33 years in Government.''

whose money do you think that was ??? Theirs?

So it's just 30,000 'more' nurses. Why lie?

So you're happy for the current situation with the NHS, schools, housing and derisory benefits to continue JenniferEccles?