Con merchants

So to you LG, a scam is someone telling the truth while to others it is someone telling a lie.

I am not surprised you are in favour of ERG Toryism in that case.

A means-tested health system ? Why not ?
Perhaps our hospitals wouldn't then be bursting at the seams !

Septimia what disposable income do you think people have? You are right that in the case of a pensioner pensions are, after a short period, and let's say it how it is, not "adjusted" but decreased. During this time the bills on your home and the possible living costs of a partner are still having to be paid.

If fact, Pensioners are the only people who, at this point in time, are charged a "board and lodging". I remember my father being terrified of staying in the hospital for too long and that this would kick in and they had small work pensions to help. The additional stress of losing this money can be huge. I think it is iniquitous.

In the period 2015/16 to 2017/18, single pensioners in the UK had an average income of £216 per week. That is £11,232 and it is average. Older pensioners averages are lower than younger ones and they are the most likely to be in a hospital. Those who only have the state pension only should not be getting less than £8,767 and you want to charge them out of this?

I haven't a clue what Corbyn has sent out as a frightener about the NHS. I base my experience of the NHS as a patient and talking to people involved with the NHS at all levels and roles.

I can read published statistics for myself and you'd have to be living under a rock not to realise how different parts of the NHS are being outsourced to private providers. US providers and Trump have said in public that they're interested in having a greater involvement. I wouldn't trust any reassurances from Johnson or his puppet Hancock.

Exactly Urmston ??
I think what Corbyn sent out as a frightener (NHS) was despicable....the worst yet from any side!
Con? Scam? Yes, it was certainly those.

I'm a bit confused here.

What was this recorded message? I'm assuming it was some unsolicited message with some kind of Tory propaganda (but could be wrong).

Where was there any mention of the cost of cancer treatment?

PS. I suspect the cost of extra admin staff to work out board and lodging in hospital, including enforcing payment, might exceed the cost of providing it. It would also lead to a string of complaints from people who spent time on a trolley in a corridor or an old, uncomfortable bed in a noisy ward and didn't eat the food provided.

Pots & kettles GGmk3 as what about JC frightening everybody about the NHS?

But that is what would happen if it was privatised UG. Are you saying that if it is privatised it will still be free?

I know that you have to declare to the DWP if you're in hospital for any length of time so that they can reduce your pension accordingly.

However, most of us could afford to make a contribution to our board and lodging when in hospital. Even if it was only a small amount for those who could afford it, it might make a difference to NHS finances. Medical treatment would still be free.

I suggest that he was pointing out how much this things cost.

We live in France and a few years ago my husband suffered terrible pains which suggested he might be having a heart attack. I called the emergency services and a doctor arrived in less than 15 minutes. Her ecg machine showed his heart was OK but he was obviously in pain. A few minutes later the paramedics arrived with a larger machine - still nothing wrong. However they decided that they should take him to hospital and so the pompiers arrived. Here they are the people who take emergency patients to hospital. In the early hours of the morning a doctor realised that he had pericarditis and was treated accordingly. Some weeks later we received a bill for 4000 euros to show the cost of the intervention. We didn't have to pay it.

An English neighbour with breast cancer told me that her treatment was made specifically for her and had a very short shelf life. She was told that a percentage of patients don't turn up for their treatment at all.

Whether it's missed appointments with a doctor or specialist nurse right through to major illnesses, don't you think that it's a good idea that we know how much we are costing the NHS?

I'm not at all suggesting that this information should be used to intimidate or frighten anyone but we do tend to take the NHS for granted. Maybe it's time that we shouldn't.

Pots & kettles GGmk3 as what about JC frightening everybody about the NHS?

‘Can you imagine having to pay a five figure sum for your cancer treatment? Or huge sums to have your baby delivered?’

What rot.