John McDonnell - fee paying scholar to Marxist

Don’t mock the poor man SirChenjin, who knows what he went through.

Or we could have a group hug and weep for the mess that the worst bunch of right wing liars, cheats and thieves we’ve ever seen in Govt are currently creating in the UK...

Yes, let’s stop making mountains out of molehills do that instead.

Aye Urmstongran- it’s getting to the stage where we all need to have a group hug and a weep for the poor man’s miserable childhood......

Here are just some of Boris’s lies:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-lies-conservative-leader-candidate-list-times-banana-brexit-bus-a8929076.html%3famp

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/37-lies-gaffes-scandals-make-18558695.amp

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thecanary.co/uk/2019/10/05/just-over-100-days-in-and-boris-johnsons-lied-and-misled-80-times-and-rising/amp/

How do those lists compare to the claim made in the OP (which in itself was factually incorrect - he wasn’t a fee paying scholar)? Asking for a friend.

Shall we wind this up now? It’s beginning to disintegrate anyway.

All those in favour?

Aye.

I think Boris is so very thick that he completely underestimates the rest of us - at least that could explain things!

indeed trisher, it is beyond nonsense.

trisher it’s not even 6 new hospital...these are refurbishments. And have you considered that Johnson maybe isn’t lying but just thick?

So Opal you would equate saying the wrong name for your school (possibly because you would rather forget it) as equivalent to promising 50,000 new nurses for the NHS when it's actually 31,000 and 40 hospitals when there's really only 6?
What's similar about that?
One's personal and affects no-one else, the other is public and affects us all.

Flipping hell jura2, it's not 'me not seeing the difference', it's 'you not seeing the similarities' . As you say, nuff said ,,

Urmstonegran why on earth would you assume I am "het up" because I call a terrible piece of writing "Shit"? I don't like badly written political articles and I don't think they help anyone's argument but I am quite able to criticise without becoming emotional.

Has McDonnell lied? What did he lie about...it’s a long thread I have missed that bit.

Fipping hell Opal- if you can't see the difference - then ... well, nuff said

Laughable isn't it? Johnson "lies", and the lefties on here are screaming for his head. McDonnell "lies", and it's because he's "traumatised". It would be funny if it wasn't so bloody hypocritical!

Labaik, you presume the 'having a very good education' bit. Don't automatically assume that a private education is superior, just because fees are paid.

Of course, the 'best' are very good but, overall, the private sector doesn't do too well at all. Why? Because parents tend towards sending the children that they don't believe will do well in a state school!

''I wonder if jura and growstuff will respond later after asking me for ‘evidence’.''

a winterwonderland today here, and been swimming in the hot outdoor pools with the Alps all around- so apologies for the delay in responding. Forced myself to read through this piece of ''evidence'' and honestly, trisher has said it all already- so won't repeat. But thanks.

Personally I will remain with my guess, that he hated that Catholic school, probably had a very difficult experience of it all (the abuse that went on is well documented) and hated the narrow bigotry- and once he had escaped- wanted to put it all firmly behind him and go forth. Can't blame him myself.

Urmstongran, your post makes no logical sense. You admit that a child doesn't choose his own school - but then you object to his adult views on education. I, too, believe that private schools should lose their charitable status. why should they have it?

Choose another then growstuff

Google ‘did JMcD’ hide schooling’ there are plenty of articles! The DM, Sun, Express to name 3.

And before anyone gets snobby, I do read the Guardian on line every day and I subscribe to the Telegraph.

The article you linked to doesn't appear to have been written by somebody whose native language is English. It doesn't suggest McDonnell tried to "hide" anything.

Because he hasn’t tried to hide it perhaps?

MOnica I think we're saying much the same thing. The situation was very different 50 years ago and I doubt very much if McDonnell's education was "posh", when compared with Eton, Charterhouse, Harrow, Westminster, Winchester, etc.

Why doesn't the Sun accuse Nigel "man of the people" Farage of the same kind of hypocrisy?

That’s a little harsh trisher have I rattled your cage? Don’t hold back now - my intellect is obviously unworthy in your eyes!

I do my best for a bear of little brain.

You seem het up.

Urmstongran If I am ever reduced to posting a link like that as 'evidence' I will stop posting. It really is a pathetic, repetetive badly written piece of s**t.

MOnica I'm still not convinced that he tried to hide it, so I'm not persuaded of the hypocrisy.

I'm speculating here, but maybe (if he did attempt to hide it), it was because he knew that grannies would start rattling their pearls and screeching "Not fair!" like crazy banshees.

Pantglas In the UK, we've always concentrated on those at the top of the pile and nobody has cared very much about those at the bottom. That's why, to this day, we still have a very long tail of educational under-achievement.

Maybe McDonnell feels, as I did when I made a conscious decision to work in state comprehensives, that he wants to improve the educational standards and opportunities for those still not receiving a good education. That will never happen while we concentrate on the achievements of a few at selective and/or fee-paying schools, which is why he wants to ban them or at least make it more difficult for them. Some other countries realised that years ago.

Thin - but persistent and sustained.