Tory Racism

lemongrove, in regard to your post @13:33 today, you state that "antisemitism has got out of hand and is far more of a pressing matter than racism etc in any other political party".

In the above, I feel that you (and others) are failing to compare the membership size of the Labour Party/movement as compared to the Tory Party. The last published membership figure for direct Labour Party members stated that figure is still above four hundred thousand. Added to that is the fact that there are over six million affiliated members within the Trade Union movement etc which at times have been sited as Labour members when comes to antisemitism and other racism incidents.

The above figures have to be judged against the Conservative Party which at the time of the last Leadership contest stood at one hundred and thirty thousand we were told.

If anyone then looks at the instances of racism in the Labour Party/Movement it is minuscule in terms of percentage when placed against the entirety of the number of members.

However, when anyone looks at the known number of Islamaphobic and other racist incidents in the Tory Party and then place that figure against the number of members in that party, the percentage of incidents as a figure per number of members is far higher than that of the Labour party.

Of course, no one can be sure of the total number of racist incidents that have taken place of recent in the Tory Party as they will not launch the inquiry that was promised to the British electorate at the time of the last Tory leadership campaign.

However, many are arguing that racism in the Tory Party is a far larger problem than is such in the labour party, and that is why the Tories do not want any inquiry into the matter.

Exactly Grandad43.
racism in the Tory Party is a far larger problem than is such in the labour party, and that is why the Tories do not want any inquiry into the matter.

Right wing = divisions between classes, races, sexes, wealth. It is part and parcel of what their belief system is. UNLIKE Labour who are based on equality, particularly under JC.

Corbyn is not a socialist he is communist.

Socialism is needed but not available at this time

the garbage on here is unbelievable....Labour do not want equality for all, do they?

Oh don't be ridiculous! He's a a democratic socialist. I appreciate that compared to the 'just us' upper class party system of the Tories it may LOOK communist to treat everyone equally, but that is only based on a system that sees the poor as the undeserving poor, who suffer poverty as the result of an unequal system.

Railway nationalisation, partial or full state ownership of key utilities, universal healthcare provisions, state-funded house-building, no tuition fee education, education grants and loans.

These are factors of democratic socialism similar to that in Norway where they are so mainstream that not even the most right-wing of Norwegian political parties would challenge them.

How lovely to read your rational posts Grandad and GagaJo.

pinkquartz I know the effort in typing this is wasted but what Corbyn is offering is not as "socialist" as some of the Nordic Countries. Corbyn is not a communist if we could even say what that is these days.

Hang on, I think we may have been here before.

Has Mr Johnson convinced you that saying something that is obviously untrue is okay as long as that's how you want it to be? It is not true. You have never shown any facts that it is true. In fact, I will stop being careful. It is a lie and lies are not the new truth. Johnson convincing you of that is a lie too.

Good post gaga- indeed.

I hate and loathe Johnson and have said many time I an not a Tory voter but you don't hear that.

I feel we are between a rock and a hard place

I do *not vote Tory

EVER

pinkquartz, PLEASE tell me you don't vote for Farage's party. We may disagree on politics but I'd hate to converse with a farager.

It’s not just the Tories who believe in the ‘undeserving’ poor GagaJo, a lot of socialists do too.....

In case I wasn't clear I HATE TORIES !

I also DO NOT TRUST CORBYN

NO !

I VOTE GREEN or I will spoil Ballot Paper. I have to decide which

I have looked up the correct way to spoil a Ballot Paper.

I AM NOT RIGHT WING.

Pantglas2, really? Can you provide a link? ALL of my social / familial circle is left-wing and I've never heard anyone spout that POV.

Gaga

It's ok, no never ever right wing.

Fair enough pinkquartz. As long as you're not a Tory or a faragist. I'm not adverse to the Greens. Have voted that way myself in the past. I AM a great supporter of JC AND feel that it is necessary to get the Tory strangle-hold off the UK. If they were less of a threat, I would probably be more pro-Green.

pinkquartz Quote] Corbyn is not a socialist he is communist.
Socialism is needed but not available at this time ]End Quote.

pinkquartz, Jeremy Corbyn could be a Communist or even an extream Right-wing Facist in his personal politics, it would make little difference to the Labour Party.

Policy for the whole the Labour Movement is set by the Annual Delegate Conference and then overseen on a day to day basis by the National Executive Committee, and that policy is at this point in time socialist.

Got It.

Yet another senior Councillor has been reinstated to membership of the Tory party despite carrying out gross Islamaphobia.

Report from the Metro begins here:-
The Conservative Party has been criticised for ‘quietly reinstating’ a councillor who made a series of Islamophobic posts, including the claim that British Muslims are ‘breeding for Islam’.

Councillor David Abbott was suspended in April for his anti-Muslim statements in Facebook groups, in which he referred to British Muslims as ‘Mohammedans’.

In another Facebook post written by Mr Abbott, he wrote: ‘Moslems are commanded to do everything in their power, including killing, to rid the world of every person who does not follow Islam.’
Report from the Mero ends here.

And some claim that racism is only found in the Labour Party or it is much greater in extent in that organisation. If those allegations were not so gross they would be laughable.

Link to the full report from the Metro of the 21st November can be found here;-
metro.co.uk/2019/11/21/conservative-party-slammed-quietly-reinstating-councillor-made-anti-muslim-comments-11197712/

Wish there was a thumbs up on here Grandad1943

Another twenty five Tory party members have been suspended from the party following increasing media interest over the matter of racism in the organisation. That scrutiny is long overdue in the eyes of many.

Exert from a Guardian Report begins here:-
The Conservative Party has suspended a number of its members pending an investigation after a dossier suggested they had posted or endorsed Islamophobic and racist material online.

Twenty-five sitting and former Tory councillors were said to be among those named in the documents, which were obtained by The Guardian.

The party said all of those found to be Tory members had been "suspended immediately, pending an investigation". The disclosure will increase pressure on Boris Johnson to hold an independent inquiry into Islamophobia in the party, rather than a broader investigation into prejudice within its ranks.
Guardian report ends here.

I am wondering how long it will be before these people are quietly readmitted to the Tory Party to once again join its rampant highly racist ranks

Link to the Guardian full report on the matter can be found here;-

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tories-suspend-25-party-members-over-islamophobic-and-racist-online-posts-a4285746.html

I don’t trust Johnson or Corbyn

me neither

So let’s ignore anti semetism in the Labour Party because they have a large number of members plus the trade unions and criticise the Tory party because they have fewer members .

Racism is racism.

Anniebach WHEN has Corbyn lied?

As evidenced in another thread, FAR more racism in the Tories. Not that any racism is appropriate. BUT one party is worse.

Further evidence has emerged of the rampant Islamaphobia in the Tory Party and also that senior members of the party are acting in support of a number of Tory Candidates standing in the forthcoming General Election who are alleged to have made disgusting racist social media posts.

Guardian Report on the situation begins here:-
At least four ministers have gone on election campaigning trips to endorse Tory candidates facing allegations of Islamophobia since the claims against them came to light, the Guardian has learned.

In constituency visits that appear to contradict Boris Johnson’s repeated claim that the party has a “zero tolerance” stance on the issue, Sajid Javid, Matt Hancock, Andrea Leadsom and Thérèse Coffey have thrown their weight behind the accused candidates – all of whom are fighting in key marginal battlegrounds.

Incidents include one candidate who argued that Muslims have divided loyalties, as well as blaming immigrants for bringing HIV to Britain, and another who retweeted posts from former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson.

Johnson himself has also posed shaking hands with a Conservative candidate accused of sending an anti-Muslim tweet to Nobel Peace prize winner, Malala Yousafzai, 22. It is understood the photograph was taken after the party became aware of the tweet.

The disclosures came as the Tories face increasing pressure over Islamophobia following a slew of revelations, with the Equality and Human Rights Commission considering whether to launch a formal investigation into the party.

Full Guardian report can be accessed by following this link:-
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/06/tory-ministers-back-candidates-accused-of-islamophobia