Tory Racism

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No LG it wasn't from GN. It's from a forum I have been following for some time and have referred to in the past. All pensioners. If not majority male the females say little. Very right-wing, Leave and they don't allow you to disagree but it gives me an insight into what way the thinking of this group is moving.

The guy who wrote the one with a link is happy to share on that forum that he is a member of both the Brexit Party and the Conservative Party. I feel they should take responsibility for these people and look into what they are posting - don't you?

Your thread on antisemitism wasn’t deleted because of your examples of right-wing chuntering, but because the GN posts were getting worse on the anti-semitic front.....am glad it’s gone.

I actually didn't say that it was LG and I agreed with GN that it should go. I had asked them earlier if they didn't think it should be deleted as it was defaulting to the standard tropes and they put a message on rather than delete it at that stage. They emailed me - which I appreciate - to let me know they had decided to delete it as posts were becoming very personal.

Anything else you want to know?

It’s up to the moderators on that site, not the Brexit Party or The Conservatives unless it becomes a police matter.
Same as on here or any other forum.

I didn’t need to ‘know’ anything thanks, but just glad the thread has vanished.

It's up to the government and the law when people are breaking the law.

Why, if you do not think those posts are the responsibility of the ERG Tories, should other posts on an open system be the responsibility of the Labour Party? You have certainly made very vociferous comments that they should be.

I think that when you have a political party with only one hundred and thirty thousand as its total membership, and fifty-one percent of that membership states that they would not vote for a Muslim Prime Minister purely for the reason he or she was a Muslim, then that says it all.

Each political party has to deal with anything racist said or done by one of it’s MP’s, councillors, activists and members.
Most will not be a police matter and could be dealt with internally.
If you are not any of the above , not even a member ( as many voters are not) but writing on one of the hundreds ( if not thousands) of forums then it’s not up to the political parties to intervene, it’s free speech unless the moderators want to pick up on it.

I didn’t need to ‘know’ anything thanks, but just glad the thread has vanished.

Is killing off threads the new game?

I doubt the moderators view it that way.

Each political party has to deal with anything racist said or done by one of it’s MP’s, councillors, activists and members.

So how do you think the Tories will deal with these members "internally" LG. Actually, don't bother to tell me it will just be another of Mr Johnson's lies blithely repeated as truth. Why on earth should I believe they are doing anything other than finding a way to appease people with those views so they vote for them.

If you are not any of the above, not even a member ( as many voters are not) but writing on one of the hundreds ( if not thousands) of forums then it’s not up to the political parties to intervene, it’s free speech unless the moderators want to pick up on it.

So why blame every tweet from someone who says they support Corbyn on the Labour Party? It's pure deceit, and we hear it all the time, the Labour Party are responsible for all, have not acted quickly enough, etc., etc., but then we here the like of what I quote above. One rule for other and another for Liar Johnson.

lemongrove, in regard to your post @17:41 today, many members of both the Labour and Tory parties have made racist posts on the any number of forums that you mention.

In that, the Labour Party have held an inquiry into those persons actions even and taken action even when those persons have only been affiliate members of the Labour Party.

However, with the Tory Party only when there has been full non-contestable evidence of members posting severe racist posts on social media has any action been taken at all.

Even then in the vast majority of such cases those who have had their membership removed for such action have had that membership very quickly restored, on occasion within a matter of days.

Boris Johnson along with other leading Tory Party members assured the British electorate that a full open enquiry would be inaugurated into racism in the party during the leadership campaign. However, no such enquiry has been brought forward. Another outright Tory lie

Now, such strong action should certainly get rid of the suspected rampant Islamaphobia and other racism there is In the Tory Party.

Does anybody remember having no time for teachers' pets?

Find evidence of Corbyn lying lemongrove. I'm waiting...

From my observations, Boris Johnson doesn't "respond" when he chooses not to - he merely talks his way over questions that he doesn't like, hardly drawing breath and saying the same things over and over again, thus preventing the interviewer from seeking more clarity.

I only saw the last few minutes of the Marr interview, which consisted of Johnson's usual ramblings. However, during the Johnson/Corbyn questions to the leaders with Julie Etchingham, he kept on and on repeating "get Brexit done", the deal is "oven ready", "unleashing Britain's potential" - etc. etc. Just a roll call of slogans and no proper responses to any questions relating to other important issues. He also overran his time on every question, completely ignoring Etchingham's request for him to stop, and thus denying Corbyn his proper allocation of time. Perhaps Marr was mindful of this and, in order to obstruct these sorts of avoidance techniques, played Johnson at his own game - perhaps not the best tactic since it inevitably invites accusations of him "not letting Boris speak". Let's hope that Andrew Neil, who is a much tougher and more effective interviewer, has a chance to question Johnson - and that he is as tough on him as he is on other interviewees (bearing in mind that he has strong right wing links).

Johnson and other Conservative dignitaries thought it right and appropriate to interrupt election campaigning to celebrate the unveiling of a statue of Nancy Astor. Astor may have been a trailblazer for women in politics but she was also a notorious anti-semite who once said Hitler was a:

"welcome solution to the "world problem" of Jews." and, in an exchange with an MP, Alan Graham, said:

"Only a Jew like you would dare to be rude to me".

It has been said she was expressing views that were commonly held in Britain at that time, particularly in the aristocratic classes who saw fascism as wholly preferable to their perception of a communist threat, fascism being more in line with and protective of their own interests. Whether that excuses what has been described as her "virulent racism" is, I think, debatable but it feels very uncomfortable to me to be honouring someone who propounded such dreadful views - unless, at least, a comment underlining her fascist leanings and her unpalatable views on race and religion is included on the accompanying plaque.

Grandad43 you are speaking of members of political parties, but most people in forums are not members, therefore cannot be kicked out or dealt with.

To clarify...not members of forums, but posters on forums who are voters but not members of a political party.

lemongrove Quote [Grandad43 you are speaking of members of political parties, but most people in forums are not members, therefore cannot be kicked out or dealt with.] End Quote.

Lemon Grove, if anyone makes a racist post on a social site who is not a member of any political party then obviously no action can be taken against such persons unless what they have stated is illegal.

However, if such a person is a member of a political party then that party can and should act. Only the Labour party have at this point in time acted against such members, with the Conservative Party expelling a number of their members but always quickly re-admitting them, sometimes within days of being expelled.

Apologies should be lemongrove above not Lemon Grove. Spell checker again. ?

Grandad I agree with you that all Parties should act, and quickly.
I have no knowledge of the claims you make so cannot say one way or the other, but the LP has been very slow off the mark with this issue in the past.

lemongrove, below is a link in regard to the Tory party members expelled for racism and then quickly readmitted to the party.

It can be debatable whether the Labour Party acted quickly enough on some of its racism cases, but once they are expelled they stay expelled. However, with the Tory Party, it's rather like a revolving door, no sooner than they are out, they are back in.

Link to the above can be found here:-

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/24/tory-islamophobia-row-15-suspended-councillors-quietly-reinstated

There are certainly some examples there of councillors who in my own view should not have been re-admitted.I have no idea what censure deserves what action in political parties, but there are a few there who should definitely not be councillors after their tweets.
It doesn’t lessen the problems of antisemitism within the LP but I know that racism exists everywhere sadly.

So you have got as far as admitting that the ERG Tories are not doing the right thing.

Will you actually apologise for your continued proselytising against the Labour Party and Corbyn as an individual if you are given enough evidence to show there is far more racism and religiophobia in the Tory party than in Labour and that while pointing out the mote in the Labour Parties eye they ignore the beam in their own.

No I certainly won’t!
Two wrongs don’t make a right by the way.
In the last few years under Corbyn’s non leadership, the antisemitism has got out of hand and is far more of a pressing matter than racism etc in any other political party.

What is the wrong, LG? The antisemitism in the actual Labour Party is no worse than the rest of the country, is being dealt with and is often, by it's critics confused with comments criticising Israel.

What exactly has he done wrong? This nonsense that "your racism is worse then my parties racism is ridiculous. It's designed to distract and you have to ask if you need to distract that much, what are you distracting from? Obviously, all racism is bad but look at the examples I have shown about Tory supporters and members Islamaphobia and nativism. I have a feeling that when the IHRA report comes out the egg will be on other faces. Then we can stop this dead cat bouncing and look into the ERG Tories, their members and their friends. That will certainly be worthwhile.

Hopefully we will get the