Everything is wrong in this country

Phoebes
The eu council and parliament have stated ( as long as it's reciprocal) there will be visa free travel for countries outside the scengen area. 90 days in any 180.

The point I was making was that we will still be able to travel wherever we want to go, as long as we have a passport, and in some cases visas, although as per the above post, that may not be necessary anyway for EU countries. I really don't see why that should be a problem, especially as it will help us secure our borders.

The problem with the health service is not migrants, it is us!
The migrants in hospitals are treating patients, go into any surgery or outpatients you will see mainly 60 yr olds plus wanting treatment. If migrants don’t come to the UK there will be a real problem because the unemployed either can’t or won’t do the work.
The extra 50,000 nurses vaunted, is just pie in the sky, that’s not going to happen, they might find that number of clinical assistants, skilled nurses, no way.
The truth is NHS demand is unlimited and there is always going to be some who don’t get the treatment they want, when they want it. The health service is staffed by humans, who make errors so there are always going to be mistakes made. We all want a perfect system but we need to pay much more to get anywhere near that.

Wait. I only thought my country (US) was evil and corrupt. And it is not! Every little thing is under a microscope and most of it is wrong. We're not all a bunch of racist, white privilege people. I think your news sounds a lot like ours-hysterical and...fake.

especially as it will help us secure our borders.

How will that make them any more secure than they are now?

It's not as though you can travel to Europe, or return from Europe now without passport checks; which are applied to all travellers, whatever their nationality. Last few times we've come back from France the queues for passport checks at Portsmouth have been hideous.

What extra nightmares have border control got in store for us in the name of 'securing our borders' post Brexit?

It's not just about going on holiday, either. It's about the freedom to work and settle in another EU country with no bureaucratic input at all.

And just who are we 'securing our borders' against?

It's like going back to the Dark Ages...

I have, on occasion, voted conservative, but came from a very working class background - the tenement with only two rooms and outside toilet. I have never inherited money, had a second home anywhere nor have had children or grandchildren at private school. We run one car and have one holiday per year, if that. I don't shop at Waitrose either! I usually let contentious posts wash over me, but I'm pretty taken aback by the generalisations of anniezzz09. I don't think I'm self righteous.

Opal we are not talking about 'travelling' as in 'for holidays. It is about people from a group of friendly nations being able to go and look for work for 3 months - without tons of paperwork. The fact is, with EU rules, the 3 months is the rules. For all sorts of reasons, which had nothing to do with the EU- the UK CHOSE not to enforce it.

When I came to work in the UK in 1970, pre EU - I had to have a post in place, with a work permit, and the firm wanting to employ me had to go through the hoops to show that they could not employ a local, but had to bring me in. I was so lucky as I knew the right people, with long arms- who were gently pressured to do all that for me. Exceptional and very un-usual. When we fell in love, the only way we could be together, was to get married- or I could not have stayed in the UK after my contract expired, I was just 19. Again how lucky we are that we are still together 49 years later.

Seriously Folks, you think it's a good idea to vote for a serial liar, who cares about no-one but himself, and can't wait to sell the NHS to Trump? Jeremy Corbyn will be ditched by his party very soon, and Labour will get back to normal. Please, play the long game, and don't saddle us with the extreme right wingers in charge of the Tory Party just now.

Jeremy Corbyn will be ditched by his party very soon, and Labour will get back to normal.

That's what scares me. John McDonnell, a self proclaimed Marxist is wait in impatiently in the wings

Same in Australia

Whitewavemark2 I totally agree with everything you said.

Mcrc; it just goes to show how the world views a country by the person they choose to lead it, which is unfair for all those that didn't vote for that person....

As far as Labour is concerned, Maremia, what is 'normal'?

What is it that all these Labour bods who don't like Corbyn actually want to achieve as far as the country is concerned?

....most of the immigrants were young and so had little need of healthcare. The problem, he said, was the aging population.
But the immigrants are also ageing and in not too many years they will be needing more medical care.....so let's bring in more immigrants to look after them.
Can you see where this is leading?

Compulsory euthanasia?

What is wrong with Marxism or is it just a scary notion?

You're surely not expecting an answer are you, grannypauline?

I'm not expecting anyone to enlighten me as to what is 'normal Labour'.

'Never explain' is the watchword on Gnet...

Too true, let's follow the press and media and scare everyone with the bogeymen - Corbyn and McDonell - that's enough isn't it?

It's scary if you feel you're one of the people who would lose out in a more equal society, but the Labour Party isn't Marxist, so I guess it's being used for scare-mongering.

I self-identified as a Marxist for about six weeks when I was 19 because I thought it was cool. I even bought a book, but I was a bit intimidated by the big words, so I gave up. I can't honestly say I understood much about it and my guess is that most people who fear Marxism now don't really understand it.

In the last few years, I've become much more interested in politics. I don't think it's cool any more to be a Marxist (I'm not), but I understand much more about Marx. I hadn't realised how innovative his thinking was and how much he's been misunderstood. Marx probably wouldn't even recognise some of what is today labelled as Marxism.

You must be joking grannygravy13. Don’t think you could have lived anywhere else but the UK

Because they get benefits they can’t get in other countries.

Which benefits?

Factcheck: Migration and benefits

fullfact.org/immigration/migration-and-welfare-benefits/

Which country do you live in yattypung?

Growstuff - thanks for posting that link regarding benefits - a friend of ours worked in our local Job Centre and told us how difficult it was for immigrants to get benefits if they weren't working - no matter how often I repeated it, some people just decided not to believe me!