Brexit dividing my family.

Time you learned the difference between 'could be' and 'are'. Sb74

Why not? you claim I am?

Maybe you’re in on it you then?

Don't be ridiculous.

Like Grannyactivist I do not believe that topics such as politics, religion and sex should be off limits. I really love a good discussion and life would be so boring if these issues weren't chewed over.

I think we should be able to support our point of view without aggression, and importantly listening to those who don't agree.

It's when people haven't learnt how to do this respectfully that conflict becomes entrenched. I have friends who don't all agree with my political stance of course.If I didn't I would be living a very sheltered and boring life.

My husband voted to leave and I am a strong remainder yet we agree to differ and leave it at that. However, we have friends who live in France who have been and will be badly affected by Brexit who can hardly bring themselves to be civil to him. I find all the animosity very distressing and unnecessary.

I sympathise with you freyja, but please only vote Labour if you think that is the best way to beat the Tories in your constituency. If you're not sure please check out the various tactical voting websites. You will find that they do not always agree in every case as some just suggest voting for the party which came second last time but others take account of local election results, EU election results, candidates and other local factors.

You write like you are responsible for the horrid mess Brexit has become. Why are you embarrassed? Because you voted leave.

We were given a chance to vote and we did - it doesn't matter what way you voted that was up to you. And why anyone is arguing about it is beyond me!!

Stand tall you had your reasons for the way you voted and stick with it.

The high paid pms are ones who should carrying on arguing amongst themselves - in fact it isn't worth given it anymore thought - let them do that.

As for your family if there's too much arguing ban them from political talk in your presence - stand on a chair and shout over their heads until they listen. Wearing xmas hat!! If that doesn't make them laugh!!!

Aarrghh tricks- what is wrong with my phone!!

Typos obviously meant trucks not trucks and naive!!

I’m not the one Mazied that’s come on here trying to persuade people to vote Labour to save the country!! Maybe you’re in on it you then?

I have found the last three years difficult. Having spent most of our working life in Europe before and after Britain entered the EU we were always treated with respect, kindness and made many friends. Sadly this cannot be said about my own country who on our return treated us with disrespect; my children were bullied at school and our car tyres slashed etc all because we lived in Europe. When my children asked 'what nationality are we' I replied European as we were proud to be so even though we are English. So voting to remain in the referendum was a forgone conclusion for my family.

What I found since the result is that the people, including members of my own extended family, who voted to leave to be aggressive, rude and defensive about their decision. After three years we have never had a proper debate, as to the pros and cons of EU all I get is the same answers from all of them, 'to get our country back', whatever that means, repeating BJ and NF almost word for word.

I have tried having a discussion with female friends and older women members of the family, but their reaction is the same. They have either voted to remain but don't tell the husband or voted to leave because their husband's did, either way they didn't want to talk about it.

The men of friends and family who voted leave, all are of the same mind set as BJ and NF, but again they do all seem to be white men of pensionable age. Their argument being that we want our country back with no immigrates or foreigners interfering. This is of course immediately contradicted when they complain that they have to wait 8 weeks for a doctors appointment, can't get the drugs they needed, but they do not or choose not to see the connection of Brexit and the difficulties this may bring, even if it maybe in the short term.

The only sensible discussions I have had is with my 15 year old GS, and other young people all of whom seems very knowledgeable on this matter. All are in agreement that if they had a vote they would vote remain. The reason is because they like having friends from all over Europe and want to be part of this exciting continent that's on their doorstep. From the mouths of babes
I am a member of the Green party but in this election I starting to think of voting Labour because they are the only party offering a proper debate on Europe with all the facts are on the table and will give us the final say. I also think JC is right in being the honest broker in this matter so we really have to think for ourselves and have a final vote on Europe.

Brexit reminds me of the Reformation. Politics is like a religion to a lot of people and will divide if divisions are allowed.

@mazied

I couldn’t care less if you agree with me or not. It’s pretty obvious what this post is. When I say we I mean me and the others on here that have also called it out for what it is.

Why couldn’t labour be involved in dirty trucks? A bit Niamey if you. They’re all as bad as each other.

Think what you like.

I voted leave, my daughter voted remain. We made a ‘pact’ not to discuss Brexit, so no arguments. Same with my friends.

This is the worst time I can ever remember in my life for falling out with people over Brexit. I had a friend for over 23 years and she just did not like the fact that I had voted to Remain. We fell out and have never spoken since. I have text her, wrote her a letter and even tried to phone her. I refuse to turn up at her house and be turned away as she has made it plain that that is it! I asked in the letter if we could meet up and put it all behind us and forget about bloody Brexit and just continue to be friends as life is too short. No reply and that was 2 months ago. I will send her a christmas card but then that is it. I hate Brexit!

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/american-dirty-tricks-are-corroding-our-democracy/

Wow, not been on here for a while but gransnet alerted me to this post. I took a look at the OPs link, thank you for your comments, iluvsylvanianfamilies51 I watched it then scrolled down thro the tweets below and found a tweet to Momentum claiming they are pinching the content from an interesting news site TLDRNewsUK link:
mobile.twitter.com/TLDRNewsUK
. I don’t know muchabout them other than they appear to be funded by viewers and claim to be independent. I scrolled thro their site’s followers and followed to see who they got their news from and pleased to see that they follow many news sites of all political colours. It’s tag line is ‘News made simple’
If you wish to see the tweet back to momentum click on link below and scroll down.

mobile.twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1202573131606573056

iluvsylvanianfamilies51, like you I worry about the divisions between friends; fortunately my family all voted the same way; but do have friends who did not. Those with whom we have stayed friends despite Brexit is more a reflection of our similarities than our differences. As far as racist comments I challenge them no matter who makes them, that usually sorts the wheat from the chaff!

American dirty tricks are corroding British democracy

Because we think it’s part of labours campaign undercover?!

Just realised what you've said there..

I don't think that it's Labour who are running dirty tricks campaigns on social media...

Because we think it’s part of labours campaign undercover?!

There's no reason at all why I should agree with you, Sb74. And is that the royal 'we' you're using, or do you just think that everyone thinks the same way that you do?

Of course, I could suspect that you are a tory plant trying to stop people expressing views that your party doesn't like.

For me I cant see the sense in leaving but I can understand to a degree why some dont want to remai

I still think it selfish not to expect people to use their right to express their opinion
And if the person didnt do what you expect them to do they are thought of not worthy.
I just dont understand this.
Its a very one track minded way of thinking.
There are countries all over the world that dont have this privilege .
Democracy is built on having the right to express ones views and for it to be held .
I just cannot see why my friends opinion is less of importance than mine.
I might not agree but that does not mean I react in a almost like bullying way.

Obviously I wanted to remain as I lived in the EU and since Brexit I have moved back to the UK ….the UK Government has decreed that rights of EU Citizens living in the UK are guaranteed but has refused to address the problems facing UK citizens living in the EU and many countries have rules they will have no hesitation in applying to British Citizens in their countries (i.e. level of income, healthcare, etc etc) the UK OAP pension is not considered sufficient income on its own to enable someone from the UK to remain. If the reciprocal Healthcare agreement is rescinded you will be required to pay around £1 - 2,000 a month for health insurance (depending on what if anything is wrong with you !) so THANKS leavers.....my life has been turned upside down because of you and that hideous joker Cameron ...who walked away into a life of luxury …….I am voting monster raving looney party (well, that about sums up the LOT of them !)

I have not read all the comments.
I agree with what Tweedle24 wrote.
Apart from voting there is nothing more that any individual can do to alter things so there is no point in worrying about it.
What will be ,will be
I voted for Brexit and would have accepted a no dealBrexit.
Some of my rea lives who voted to remain say that they appreciate they lost and they should just get on with it .
I presume Jeremy Corbyn thinks that if we have a referendum more people will vote to remain but if not won’t they have to go through the same as Teresa May and Boris Johnson have done to get a good deal?

The advice for hosting a dinner party is to never discuss, sex, religion or politics. When my children were growing up we had a constant stream of visitors and house guests and no topics were ‘off limits’.

Because our guests were from all over the world and from different cultures we had to engage in ‘civil disagreement’ quite often, but our children grew up being able to recognise the intrinsic worth of people regardless of them holding contrary views. I think it’s stood us all in good stead in the recent heated political climate.

Ive already reported it but you click on original message and options come up.