Brexit dividing my family.

Of course I do, and I don't doubt that it is true.

Do you CARE that it 'might' be true MissAdventure?

Elements of the far right tend to have much more than just racism going on. Just look at how quickly the popularity of Britain First rose before they rightfully lost their platforms and their freedom.

I never said I choose to believe it isn't true, labaik. I said I doubted, which is entirely different, and I was referring to the overall hate crime figures, which cover much more than racial abuse.

Or perhaps fighting back against the left, the precious snowflakes who just want to find a way to not offend people by people who are quite happy being offensive thank you very much.

Well, hate crimes cover so many things, don't they?
Sexual preferences, gender fluidity, and so on.

Is it all people who voted for brexit committing them?

..that was in reply to MissAdventure.

So you've no idea if it's true or not therefore you choose to believe it isn't true? Have you not read any first hand accounts of people being racially abused post referendum?

So it hasn't resulted in people being told to 'go back to your own country' then

Absolutely certain is has Labaik; I just doubted that it had resulted in a quadrupling of cases, as was initially claimed.

Neither have I, but I wouldn't be so certain about doubting something, of which I have no evidence.

Well, the guardian article gives figures, though obviously I've no idea of their accuracy.

Why do you doubt it MissAdventure? Or is it just a gut feeling?

So it hasn't resulted in people being told to 'go back to your own country' then?

I doubt brexit is to blame for the increase in most of rising hate crimes.

It is doubled, not quadrupled though I don't know where I got quadrupled from. Most hate crime goes unreported though. It may be that I read an article that accounted for unreported crime. Personally, when it comes to seeing people be openly racist, I've seen it go from 0 to crazy.

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/oct/15/hate-crimes-double-england-wales

Really? I thought that Full Fact was a registered charity. (registered charity (no. 1158683)

Full Fact fights bad information.
We’re a team of independent fact checkers and campaigners who find, expose and counter the harm it does.

My DCs resent their GPs who voted leave and I don't blame them. Their question to me and their DF (we also voted remain) was 'why are they (GPs) ruining our future?' It's a fair point.

I don't trust full fact, run by tory party donors.

Starblaze, you say: 'Hate crime quadrupled after Brexit' but I can't find any evidence whatsoever for that. Your source?

Reported hate crime did increase, but only according to some figures, with the reasons difficult to identify. Of course, 'reported' crime is very different to actual convictions.

Police changed their recording method and it's also a matter of perception (whether a victim believes it was a hate crime).

According to the Crime survey, there was a dramatic reduction in hate crimes. The Home Office, though, reported increases ('spikes') after Brexit and even higher ones after the terrorist attacks (perception?):

fullfact.org/crime/hate-crime-england-and-wales/

she just has to bite her bottom lip and get on with sticking needles in them.

There must be times that your friend enjoys her job very much Labaik, depending on who she's jabbing!

I do wonder if those arguing about Brexit with family and friends would have fallen out eventually about something trivial sooner or later anyway. I voted remain, but would vote leave given another referendum. I don't have a problem with people who exercise their democratic vote whichever way they like though, and nobody I know has a split family due to different opinions. Maybe a bit more tolerance is needed of other peoples right to believe what they will.

'If you knew people who were racist before brexit, I'm surprised you didn't distance yourself long ago

I asked that very same question at 17.15 MissA but got no response. It seems so obvious! Why would you have anything to do with anyone, on any level, if you know, thought or suspected that they are racist?'apologies for that but I've actually been watching the debate. Sometimes, you have to work with people. Or they're friends of friends and you can't avoid them socially. Or it's a very dear friends husband. So you just don't respond to their comments and hope that it dawns on them that every time they make a remark that's offensive you ignore it and change the subject. I'm possibly meeting someone socially on Sunday that described someone as a 'darkie'. So I shall just keep out of their way so as not to make others feel uncomfortable. And I no longer work so don't have to put up with racist comments there. A friend of mine is a phlebotomist and hears racist comments on a regular basis; she just has to bite her bottom lip and get on with sticking needles in them.

Yes I agree

Oh, sorry, tired today

Starblaze, my comment was not directed at you, rather at the remainers who just assume that leavers must be racist - which is very insulting.