Brexit dividing my family.

As I understand it, the point of staying in the EU is freedom of movement for all (and I’ve benefited hugely from this with a foot in two campos, as it were).

So why are Remainers complaining that your children are availing themselves of this benefit, moving their families to the EU and blaming it on Brexit? Isn’t that the point?

Said it before, but I do think the most damaging part of all this will be the massive brain and entrepreneurial drain. BE they doctors, or nurses, or researchers, or entrepreneurs of all kind- first the EU ones, then those from other parts of the world who are working in cooperation and collaboration with them and EU grants, etc - and then our very own - who do not want to be trapped in a 'little insular Britain' where they can no longer work in collaboration and who are not valued or respected.

Call it hysteria if you wish - I'll call it a tragedy. Because although it will be very difficult to travel and work abroad for unskilled people - it will remain easy for those with the right skills and experience. They will go- and I can't blame them... for sure.

I still don't understand how some people can read about people's families moving away and not empathise with them .

I am sorry maddyone that you are also about to lose close contact with part of your family who are moving to Australia. Doctors are undervalued in this country, and like a lot of things that were blamed on the EU, it was the fault of successive British governments.

My family would not be moving were it not for this brexit nonsense.

Your family, like mine are the sort of people we cannot afford to lose.

There is nothing good to be said for brexit.

dear oh dear indeed lemon, indeed.

Nah, won't wash- won't bite. Wait and see ...

Dear oh dear, some of the posts on here!
Well said Monica and Sharon and anyone else who brings a bit of reason and common sense to the (what amounts to) mass hysteria over us leaving the EU.

Exactly growstuff. Very childish and beneath the level any of us should be communicating at on this forum.

PS. Another thing which has meant I have zilch respect for those who voted to leave is when they call people names such as "arch-remoaner".

Been travelling to day and off line - and am amazed by some of the comments.

But this one from garnet, really stuck a chord ''My husband voted to leave and I am a strong remainder yet we agree to differ and leave it at that. However, we have friends who live in France who have been and will be badly affected by Brexit who can hardly bring themselves to be civil to him. I find all the animosity very distressing and unnecessary.''

so your friends in France will be badly affected - and you wonder why they are upset with a Leave voter?

It seems that those on here who say that it is 'silly' to allow Brexit to divide family and friends- are those who believe Brexit will be a wonderful thing and that it won't affect them ...

In the end some families will be very badly affected- and it is no wonder they are upset that others voted for it- and cannot see why they are upset about it. But ... at the end of the day- we will all suffer.

It's also split political parties, too.

So many people seem to think legalised mass murder is a great idea

maddyone But Brexit is causing more families to be split than would otherwise have chosen to do so.

I disagree Jellaway. Brexit goes beyond party politics. It's about attitudes.

I've spoken to hundreds of people about Brexit and I know that it's the result of some very entrenched attitudes. The misinformation they've been fed is confirmation bias. It doesn't matter how much you give such people real facts, they just don't want to believe them, so they won't.

But Starblaze we didn't use our Dunkirk spirit to get behind Brexit so it's all our fault.

It is exaggeration Varian. Of course you will miss your beloved grandchildren but you will easily be able to visit them (health allowing) and Austria is such a beautiful place to live in and to visit.
One of my children is a doctor, married to another doctor. They are considering emigrating to Australia, it is a lot further away than Austria. But I do not consider my life, or theirs, to be being smashed to pieces. Of course I would prefer them not to go, and will miss them in a way that I find too difficult to describe, as we have always had such a lot to do with these beloved children, but if they will have a better life, then so be it. It’s nothing to do with Brexit, it’s to do with the way doctors are undervalued in our NHS, and that Australia values the skills they offer and rewards them appropriately, unlike GB. I still hope they will not go, but we’ll have to wait to see.
Families are parted by emigration and always have been, it’s nothing to do with Brexit.

Given that Johnson was found to have acted illegally can anyone tell me what remain supporters have done that's illegal to thwart Brexit?

If Brexit were easy we would already have it. Its not, it's a mess. That's not the fault of remain voters for simply having an opinion about it.

Why the heck should anything "go through easily"? The Brexit bullies really do seem to think that those who voted to remain should just shut up.

For a time after the referendum, I really was prepared to accept it and I tried to understand the reason people had voted to leave.

As time went by, the underhand tactics of the Leave campaigners became more obvious. What has really hardened my attitude, however, is the unwillingness of those who voted leave to justify their vote and outline the way forward. More than anything, the childishness of those who want "Brexit parties" and come out with meaningless soundbites has convinced me that these people couldn't give a toss about the future of the country.

It’s funny as everyone says Brexit has divided the country almost in half. But actually with most voters going for either Labour or Conservative, the country has always been divided this way. It is just the natural way of things I think.

The problems of Ireland were actually highlighted before the referendum, especially by Professor Michael Dougan of Liverpool University, but they were flippantly brushed off. He was only an "expert" after all - what did he know? .

Some families, like mine, are being divided by brexit, not because we disagree, we all agree, as do all of our extended family all agree that we want to remain in the EU, but one of my daughters is so distraught at the thought of her children being deprived of all the benefits of their EU citizenship that she and her family are about to emigrate to another EU country early next year.

The parents have both attended UK state schools and various UK universities and have much valuable working experience which has given them the transferable skills which are in demand everywhere and so, having seriously considered job offers from Sweden and Germany, they are now about to go the Austria, taking two of our lovely grandchildren.

They will all be sorely missed by us. Our lives will be changed for the worse. This is no exaggeration maaddyone. This is happening to grandparents all over the UK.

You have my sympathies Sleepygran.

maddyone It's a hyperbole, but there's more than a huge grain of truth.

Children and grandchildren’s lives have been smashed to pieces. What a ridiculous exaggeration.

I voted remain. My dad was a 'foreigner' 60 years ago and although I am white I felt the racist abuse as a child and even now felt safer being in the E U.I have family in the E U.
My husbands family voted leave and this has caused me some difficulty,they are also very racist,but his mother did accept me, however his sister and her family have only ever tolerated me.
Brexit has just made the situation worse by highlighting our differences.I will see her less and I think she'll be happy about this,but I'm sad for our children who are cousins as it has seriously damaged their relationship and I think it will result in no contact.
So... You are not on your own.