The politics of envy

Cornflakes be blowed. It strikes me that what usually rises to the 'top' is scum. Johnson being a perfect example....

I think you may have something there Maizie.

Couldn't watch it - I can manage about 10 seconds of this loathsome man before nausea sets in.

Odious man! The parable of The Good Samaritan was not about money but about a non-Jew giving help whilst his own people would not!

Apart from that “the have’s” inevitably find a way of defending their greed!

I managed 0.51 of him reading from a script. Supposedly highly intelligent people should be able to speak confidently and competently without constantly referring to someone's notes.

I shan’t open the link. I imagine it’ll be something spiteful about Boris!

Remainers getting desperate now as they see victory in sight for the Tory party on Thursday.

Open the link, Ug, it is your hero in person.

Actually managing to sound almost coherent because he's reading his speech.

I imagine it’ll be something spiteful about Boris!

Not UG. It's not about Boris; it's the man himself, Now why would you be afraid to look at your Great Leader?

I like the thought that the good samaritan wouldn't have been much use to the fallen-by-the-wayside man if he hadn't had enough money to help him.

Food for thought there.

Urmstongran, with reference to your post @08:46 today, I thought you were a Farage Brexit party loyalist, and that you had even paid the join subscription. I would never have believed that you would "chop & change" your colours inline to whichever way the wind blowing.

So, what is wrong with Farage these days, or could it be you just wish to be able to state you were on the winning side.

That is assuming of course that Johnson archives an overall majority, as anything else would be judged as a failure in very many people's eyes, and we would all rapidly witness another Tory leadership election. ?

It can't be said often enough: we are NOT voting for party leaders. We vote for a set of beliefs that we personally can sympathise with. So look at your local candidates and make your decision.

I agree that under normal circumstances we should be voting for policies rather than the individual. However we are currently being presented with such a gross travesty of integrity and decency that the leader issue cannot but feature.

I will be voting for anyone - just anyone - in order to try and clip BJ's wings.

We have an exceptional local MP, I shall be voting for them, cannot see why I should vote tactically and risk losing someone who is so very good for our local area.

The hard Brexit negotiations start on 31/01/20, if the Conservatives get a working majority.

If Labour get a working majority we shall be faced with months of uncertainty, I can envisage numerous court cases over nationalisation proposals, another referendum on Brexit and businesses/entrepreneurs leaving the UK.

But there will be no honesty and integrity. It will be a travesty.

There are no politics of envy. That whiskered mantra is a lie just like so much else.

Good point Gonegirl.

In fairness I thought that Labour would be ahead in the polls, but if they do not win on Thursday it must be down to the toxicity of Corbyn/McDonnell/momentum and the fact that the UK is not ready for a very left leaning Labour Government.

You’re right Grandad1943 I thought we needed NF to deliver Brexit. His own hubris has created a division so I’ve switched to Boris as I feel his chances of getting Brexit over the line are stronger!

So yes, I want to be on the winning team for that reason.

I like the thought that the good samaritan wouldn't have been much use to the fallen-by-the-wayside man if he hadn't had enough money to help him. (09-Dec-19 09:09:48)

Gonegirl I don't think the bible stories were written with neo-liberal economics in mind. You haven't thought of it that way because you would have to turn the whole parable on its head to do so. The story was told when a Jewish lawyer, who knows he must follow Jewish law and "love your neighbour as yourself", asks Jesus "who is my neighbour?"

Interestingly Mrs Thatcher seems to have got hold of a very peculiar end of the stick (not unknown in her case). Jesus does not say "your neighbour is the person who is well enough off to support you". Either the Priest or the Levite, both seen as honourable by the Jewish society of that time, might well have had enough to care for the man (whom we presume to be Jewish) who was attacked and robbed.

It is the man, a Samaritan, whom the Jews would hold in as low esteem at that time as the Leavers do the Brexiteers, or Conservatives do the Labour Party currrently, who stopped and helped.

Jesus then asks the lawyer who of the three acted as the neighbour the lawyer does not reply "the one with enough money to help those in difficult circumstances" he says "The one who showed him mercy".

Mrs Thatcher and Mr Johnson have done what Tories always do. Lied in order to persuade people that the policy of greed, envy and lies that they spread is a good and useful one supported by the bible. It isn't!

GracesGranMK3 It's a long time since I took my Sunday School exams. And I never did go into the theological background to the story in that depth!

Still think the point is a good one though.

I am not a billionaire. If I suggest that billionaires, such as the tax dodgers who own our newspapers, should pay their taxes, is that "the politics of envy"?

Ug I feel it is very disinganuous to suggest that the only reason people don't want to vote for BJ is because they are remainers - there are so many other reasons!!

People who would normally vote Tory, but abhor liars must be in a bit of a quandary.

It's not Gonegirl. It is completely the opposite of what the parable means. YOU are doing exactly what Johnson does and making the story fit your own view of life.

There is no point in saying any more to anyone who sees the world through such selfish, lying lenses. I am certainly not going to argue with the parables of the self-serving Johnson, and Thatcher - oh so far from saintliness - is long gone.