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The future if Boris gets in

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Yehbutnobut Mon 09-Dec-19 08:09:32

Take back control??? ???

notanan2 Sun 15-Dec-19 14:37:17

People voted against the witch hunt style "if youre not with us waving our flags you are our enemy" Mementum mob because they know their history and that sort of mob mentality must be nipped in the bud

notanan2 Sun 15-Dec-19 14:35:18

Yay more momentum style "Tory voters are stupid and kick kittens"

When will people get that that momentum mentality is WHY people voted against labour!

Grany Sun 15-Dec-19 14:28:16

You are welcome mcem I am sure too that people would like to read truth written instead of the propaganda lies being fed to them

mcem Sun 15-Dec-19 13:51:25

Grany - not a lone voice and many do care.Thank you for the Twitter link.
Now following Byline Times.

inkcog Sun 15-Dec-19 13:13:21

I have accepted the result, I feel shattered as do my 2 AC. We get on with our lives and do our best.

The sight of Cameron and BJ partying makes me feel ill.

Anyhow, it's the past, it's done. I am no fan of Corbyn. I think going back further David Milliband would have been up to the job.

jo1book Sun 15-Dec-19 13:11:11

Grany
No one cares; get real

Daisymae Sun 15-Dec-19 11:41:37

Accepting the result is one thing. Being happy with it is another. People have a right to their own beliefs and values.

JenniferEccles Sun 15-Dec-19 11:25:08

There are many desperate posts on here from those who seem unable to accept the result.

Meanwhile traditional Labour strongholds up and down the country rejected Corbyn for every reason discussed many times and voted Tory .

Tell me , what do they know that you don’t?

inkcog Sun 15-Dec-19 10:04:15

Really? Why is there this persistent belief in this strange binary approach. One must either embrace a proven liar PM and right wing policies or be a doom and gloom merchant?

I am all right Jack. Really I am. It's others lower down who concern me.

Chestnut Sun 15-Dec-19 09:51:54

Gloom and doom abounds. The people have spoken and most of us are feeling positive.

inkcog Sun 15-Dec-19 09:43:16

Oh Grany, a lone voice in the wilderness. Nobody cares, the lies , the casual racism, the old boy network, Rule Britannia, it's over. They did it.

Grany Sun 15-Dec-19 09:41:03

There desperately needs to be a challenge to the lies smears and propaganda from the right wing press and any new news paper or online news willing to do this and proper journalism, very sadly lacking for a long while now, I massively wholeheartedly support.

CoolioC Sun 15-Dec-19 09:31:42

I despair of social media. The chattering classes form of revolution from their beds as the song goes.

Grany Sun 15-Dec-19 09:16:49

I’m sorry Mr Johnson but we at
@BylineTimes
are not going anywhere- we are going to dedicate ourselves to revealing the truth about you & refuting everyone of your lies- so enjoy your victory while you can! We are growing every day! Please support us

twitter.com/BylineTimes/status/1205420804038692864?s=20

CoolioC Sun 15-Dec-19 08:52:03

And never the Twain shall meet Chestnut.

Chestnut Sun 15-Dec-19 08:49:34

I thought this was a forum where we exchanged views.

CoolioC Sun 15-Dec-19 08:36:56

growstuff
This is the latest I can find dated March 2019*
It appears a fund has been created, whether it will continue once Brexit takes place who knows, its wait and see.

Stronger Towns Fund: £1.6bn post-Brexit cash announced
4 March 2019
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A £1.6bn government fund has been launched to boost less well-off towns in England after Brexit.
The pot is split into £1bn, divided in England using a needs-based formula, and £600m communities can bid for.
More than half of the money, to be spread over seven years, will go to the north of England and the Midlands.
Labour called it a bribe to influence MPs to back the PM's Brexit deal and critics say it does not cover cuts to local authority funding.
The Department of Housing, Communities and Local Government said there will be additional announcements "in due course" for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
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In January, MPs rejected the withdrawal deal Theresa May has reached with the EU by 230 votes - the biggest defeat for a sitting government in history.
To win another vote, which Mrs May has promised will be on or before 12 March, she could find herself relying on the votes of Labour MPs from Leave-voting parts of the country.
John Mann, MP for Bassetlaw, a former coal mining area in Nottinghamshire, told the PM last month to "show us the money" with "transformative investment" in areas that voted to leave.
The Labour MP, who backed Mrs May's Brexit deal at the first vote, denied it amounted to "transactional politics".

Media captionLisa Nandy: “Obviously, I wouldn’t turn down any money… but my vote is not for sale”
But John McDonnell, Labour's shadow chancellor, said the fund "smacks of desperation from a government reduced to bribing MPs to vote for their damaging flagship Brexit legislation".
The BBC's assistant political editor Norman Smith said the money will be targeted on coastal communities, market towns, and de-industrialised towns, which meets the demands of some Labour MPs, who say regeneration funding tends to go to big cities.
The funding will go to specific projects like a new university campus or railway station, our correspondent added.
Dismissing the claim that the funding aimed to entice Labour MPs, Housing and Communities Secretary James Brokenshire insisted the cash would be made available even if the withdrawal agreement was rejected and denied the funding was a bribe.
He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "This funding is there regardless of the outcome, but obviously we want to see a deal happening, we believe that is what is in the best interests of our country."
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He said the money would "supplement the work of councils" and could be "transformative" and was there "to see that towns grow".
However, Labour MP Alex Sobel, of the cross-party People's Vote campaign, which wants a new referendum on Brexit, said it was "a drop in the ocean" compared with the cost of leaving the EU.
He said the annual loss to local economies would be more than enough to wipe out any potential return from this scheme.
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Theresa May, pictured with her husband Philip, has promised MPs another vote on her deal by 12 March
Labour's Ruth Smeeth, the MP for Leave-supporting Stoke-on-Trent, described the amount of money as "extraordinarily pathetic".
Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Westminster Hour programme, she said: "If you're talking about national renewal, this is less money than is being taken out of my economy by the introduction of [new welfare system] universal credit over the next four years."
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Labour and Stoke-on-Trent Central MP Gareth Snell said the announcement was a "huge disappointment", tweeting: "The entire allocation for the West Midlands over four years is less than the total value of cuts faced by Stoke-on-Trent City Council alone over the same period."
Anna Turley, Labour MP for Redcar, has described the funding as "a shameless little bung."
She told BBC Radio 5 Live that £90m had been lost from her local council over nine years of austerity and the money was "bobbins" and was "shameless and embarrassing".
And Labour's Rhondda MP Chris Bryant tweeted: "And not a penny for Wales. The trouble with bribes is they embody injustice."
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But the prime minister insisted: "Communities across the country voted for Brexit as an expression of their desire to see change - that must be a change for the better, with more opportunity and greater control.
"These towns have a glorious heritage, huge potential and, with the right help, a bright future ahead of them."
She said prosperity had been "unfairly spread" for "too long"

Daisymae Sun 15-Dec-19 08:23:54

In my opinion Johnson plays the buffoon because that's what he is. He has had the best education that money can buy and some people think that this brings some sort of credibility. He is what appears to be, he's not a genius in disguise. That's why his party kept him under wraps for as much as possible.

Chestnut Sat 14-Dec-19 23:33:14

Bashing Boris seems to be the latest pastime of the Labour/Lib Dem posters who kept ramming their policies and their views down our throats until Thursday. All pretty pointless seeing he has won, but I suppose it makes them feel better.

jo1book Sat 14-Dec-19 23:24:00

Johnson is far cleverer than he wants you to know; hence the clowning. But then, fool that I am, he makes me laugh No way would I vote for a ageing Worzel Gummidge or Miss Prim.

Urmstongran Sat 14-Dec-19 22:27:46

For the sake of balance (and fair play) to varian’s post about what Boris’ former boss had said about him..... try this.

Written today in the Saturday Telegraph by Charles Moore:

“All this could not have happened without Boris. When I was his editor on this paper, he often drove me to distraction with his lateness and unreliability.

But I also formed the view that he is one of the very few people I have ever met who can be described as a genius. For all his defects and peccadilloes, Boris is the man.”

growstuff Sat 14-Dec-19 22:07:58

The EU did offer additional help, but the government refused it. In many ways, the EU was more aware and ready to help with regional deprivation than the UK government has been for the last ten years. Indirectly, it redistributed money from the rich in the UK to the poorest, which could be one reason why some of the most wealthy dislike the EU.

growstuff Sat 14-Dec-19 22:05:11

CoolioC Some of the poorest regions of the UK were (are?) some of the biggest recipients of EU grants. That money will leave big holes in regional budgets. Time will tell whether the conservative government will make up the shortfall. So far, I have seen absolutely no commitment that they will.

CoolioC Sat 14-Dec-19 21:56:37

varian
We meet again, I have just read your post 12/12 19.00 hours.

Maybe, because the UK has such poor regions, we should not have contributed so much? We are the second highest contributor in the EU. Poland are the highest takers. Maybe, we should have asked to contribute and taken more than we paid in similar to other countries. If the EU knew our people in different parts of the country were living as they do, surely they should have asked us to pay less? You found this out I would expect quite easily, why didn’t they? Don’t they care? Do they only care about their coffers? Do they know people in the UK have food banks to live on and still expect us to contribute so much.

It actually doesn’t make sense to me.

Yehbutnobut Thu 12-Dec-19 16:11:41

Good post crystaltips ???