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The future under Corbyn & McDonnell

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Missfoodlove Mon 09-Dec-19 10:21:43

I was recently accused of being vacuous in a political thread.
It was because I suggested the OP lightened up a bit.
Certain posters have flooded the forum with political posts and I feel they are becoming a little obsessive.
I have spent many hours researching our countries politics and am scared of a future Labour government.
Tom Bowers book on Corbyn was an eye opener.
The following article sums it all up for me.

Missfoodlove Mon 09-Dec-19 10:24:15

newnanny Mon 09-Dec-19 10:25:22

Should be called Road to Ruin and Bankruptcy with Sturgeon in Cahoots. That is what will happen if Labour get in.

Shelmiss Mon 09-Dec-19 10:29:57

I agree with you Missfoodlove as I’ve also done quite a bit of research into both the Tory and Labour policies.

I have always voted Tory and will do so on Thursday - but from what I’ve been reading on here, I’m led to believe that I am a heartless, uncaring, entitled, shameful and stupid person.

I now quite expect someone to comment that of course I am all of the above.

A future labour government scares me too.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 09-Dec-19 10:35:15

Conservative here.

Urmstongran Mon 09-Dec-19 10:44:10

And here. (This GE anyway because I voted for Brexit). I too have been vilified by one or three posters for being uncaring.

trisher Mon 09-Dec-19 10:58:11

I have said before I don't mind Tories who admit that they are in favour of a small state and recognise that there is a price to pay for that belief. I do object to Tories who won't admit that the policies introduced in the past 9 years have led to suffering and distress for many. Either they don't know about the perilous state of education, the huge problems in the NHS, the failing prison and probation services, and the families of working people who are using foodbanks or homeless, or they don't care about them. You can't vote Tory and claim you care any more. You don't have to vote Labour but if you vote Tory either you can't see the damage or you are ignoring it. So which is it ignorance or lack of care?

Firecracker123 Mon 09-Dec-19 11:18:03

I agree also with you Missfoodlove thread after thread of name calling and smears aimed at either Boris and the Tory Party or Nigel and the Brexit Party or any poster who supports them or Brexit.

JenniferEccles Mon 09-Dec-19 11:19:18

Another conservative voter here.

What scares me most about Labour under Corbyn is our national security.
He has openly said he doesn't believe terrorists should serve their full sentence. This statement was made, unbelievably after the deaths of the two young people.

He is a known IRA and terrorist sympathiser. That is not scaremongering - it is a fact.

He would allow uncontrolled immigration which obviously increases the risk of letting vile individuals in who wish us harm. Boris on the other hand would use a points system whereby we would allow only those in who have the necessary skills and qualifications we need.

I am sure a lot (most?) on here remember the dreadful strikes in the 1970s when the trade unions were so powerful under Labour? Corbyn of course is fully supportive of unions, and would allow them further freedom to strike.

Does anyone honestly want to return to those days?

I could go on and on about how truly bad Labour would be for this country, but let's hope sense prevails on Thursday.

We have already voted by postal vote.

Boris apparently is touring the country this week targeting traditional Labour strongholds and marginals which seems to me to be the best use of his time, rather than subjecting himself to endless interviews.

dayvidg Mon 09-Dec-19 11:21:40

What I find most scary about Labour's proposals are the combination of extending the minimum wage to all over 16 and an 'open door' immigration policy. With the high levels of youth unemployment in many E.U. countries, what will the immigration levels reach, with the consequent effects on employment, housing, crime etc.

JenniferEccles Mon 09-Dec-19 11:28:12

Oh and a 4 day week with full pay anyone?!!

You honestly couldn't make it up, but making it up of course is what the increasingly desperate Labour is doing.

I really hope not too many of the youngsters who have recently registered to vote fall for all this 'everything free for everyone' nonsense.

Alima Mon 09-Dec-19 11:33:23

It would be too awful to contemplate. Remember the strikes of the 70s?

trisher Mon 09-Dec-19 11:40:35

Use as many excuses as you like, vote Tory and the next homeless person who dies, or disabled person who commits suicide because they can't stand to go through the torture of the benefits system any longer, the next child living in B&B accommodation is on your conscience. Remember "Cathy Come Home"- it's worse than that!

Urmstongran Mon 09-Dec-19 11:49:24

McDonnell says he thinks the pound will go up in value if Labour win.

McDonnell, your role in the double act is to play the sensible provincial spreadsheet bank manager to Corbyn's ‘Citizen Smith’ firebrand, not to spout even more implausible pipedream fantasies.

Urmstongran Mon 09-Dec-19 11:53:47

Stop it trisher

The next homeless person who dies .... indeed! No, it’s NOT on my conscience.

Drug addicts often sleep on the street and it’s been proven that some do so through choice. They, with their mental health issues, cannot be persuaded to go into a hostel for the night. Others would go in but cannot say ‘no’ to their addiction of choice.

It’s a complex issue with many facets and I’m not going to accept opprobrium heaped upon my head for it. No way.

Liz46 Mon 09-Dec-19 11:57:22

Conservative here too, after a great deal of thought. There is absolutely no way I could vote for Corbyn and Abbott.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Dec-19 12:01:52

Andrew Adonis

Elections are never over until they are over

The big decision the next Parliament will take is to Brexit or not to Brexit. If Johnson gets 322 seats Brexit happens. If he gets 320, there’s a referendum & we can stop this national calamity. It’s that simple. Every seat counts!

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Dec-19 12:10:51

The right wing press don't become this hysterical unless they are worried that the polls are not showing a true picture.

Johnson victory is by no means assured

Opal Mon 09-Dec-19 12:18:03

What absolute rubbish trisher, go and peddle your "guilt and envy" politics elsewhere.

Yes I will be voting Tory and would encourage anyone who values our freedoms and rights to do the same. Vote Labour, and you will get nationalised (inefficient, ineffective and expensive) industries, under the control of runaway Trade Unions, and the country will be on its knees. The economy will plummet, and it will be the hard workers of this country bailing out everyone else. Don't listen to the Labour propaganda machine that is currently Gransnet, they are spouting so much shit, it's absurd.

trisher Mon 09-Dec-19 12:39:01

Opal I have no problem with admitting my committment to nationalised rail and utility suppliers. The present situation being chaotic and paying money into private pockets that should be re-invested in the industry. Or to admitting I believe in trade unions and the working people having a say in how things are run. As for strikes we are currently in the longest strike of rail drivers there has been for some time -isn't it being kept quiet. But I also believe in a society which supports the weakest, cares for the poorest, educates its children and provides healthcare for all.
Urmstongran I don't think anyone "decides"to deliberately become a drug addict, have mental health problems, or stay sleeping on the streets in the freezing cold. Supplying someone with a bed is a beginnng, providing a proper mental health service is part of it, but cutting everything has done nothing to help and has, and will continue to, kill people but if you're happy to admit that, well done you.

growstuff Mon 09-Dec-19 12:42:28

The future under Corbyn and McDonnell sounds good compared with the alternative.

It means most of the posters on this thread won't get their way for a few years. Fantastic!

sarahellenwhitney Mon 09-Dec-19 12:52:33

The 2016 referendum was a majority to leave. Both Swinson , Corbyn and Sturgeon want remain.Are they content to see people living on the streets.? people relying on food banks to feed their families,.This is something you might have expected in the years following six years of war not fifty or more years later.I cannot see any change unless we have a government with a leader prepared to give what the majority voted for in 2016.

Chucky Mon 09-Dec-19 12:55:43

@trisher Everyone has a right to choose who they vote for and nobody should be demonised for asserting their democratic choice. Neither will I feel guilty if anyone dies on the street! That is not my, or any other voter’s fault.

I will be voting Conservative, not because I will be better off under them, but because they will be the better choice for our Country and my children and grandchildren. There have been some very difficult choices made over the last 9ish years, but there is not a limitless amount of money, so some hard choices have had to be made. The only reason the last General Election was a disaster for the Conservatives, is because they were the only ones who told the truth in their manifesto!

I am not “ignorance” (you should be the one with that title) and neither do I have a “lack of care.” If the Conservatives do get in after the General Election, you could always choose to leave this country, seeing you think that would be a disaster. That is, if anywhere else will have you. Good riddance to bad rubbish as the saying goes!

Anniebach Mon 09-Dec-19 13:06:56

I was a Labour Party member for many years. This election I was thinking of voting Labour, I know the labour candidate for my constituency well.

Following the political thread for months, I cannot vote Labour. The aggression from several Corbyn supporters to
those who support another party is not in anyway acceptable.

I have canvassed at every election since Wilson stood in 1964,
never , ever was aggressive to those who said they were not
voting labour and there were so many when Michael Foot was leader.

I have been told by party members and several MP’s the aggression stems from the power of Momentum, I believe them.

Yes criticise the party leaders, criticise the speeches etc , but
accuse other voters of being uncaring/ responsible for the deaths of the homeless is vicious electioneering.

LadyGracie Mon 09-Dec-19 13:07:35

I have voted conservative as I always have although I did once vote liberal in the 70’s.