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I think it's a bit unfair to say that *grandad1943 is mansplaining. It appears he has more knowledge of union processes and is just giving information. Generally speaking he is polite and doesn't resort to sneering or making derogatory comments about people who don't share his views or political beliefs.

Lots of women come on Gransnet and give their opinions, often based on their work or general life experience. Such opinions might annoy some people but I don't think I've heard them described as "patronising". Some men do tend to be pompous and self-regarding - I don't happen to think granddad is one of them and it must be quite hurtful to be described in that way. It's a bit like ganging up. He doesn't, as some men would, see it as beneath him to participate on a site which appears to be primarily used by women.

GG why take the time to tell someone that you - simply don’t have the time , inclination , patience or inclination to sooth etc etc
Just don’t do it.
You are very fond of NOT practicing what you preach.
It gets very tiresome & spoils the flow the thread .

Gaga, don’t fall off your chair, I agree with you. It is older men in the main who take a patronising attitude towards women.

God, Callistemon, AND watch him.

Mars or Venus

I've had a lot ofmansplaining lengthy explanations about both planets too.
Actually, I wouldn't tell DH but I'd rather listen to Prof Cox.

I think the mansplaining thing is a generational thing. My bloke tries to do it to me. I'm more qualified, more experienced and out earn him. And YET he thinks my having a vag means he knows more. SHUT the front door.

If I can't be arsed, I just don't listen, which he hates, because he likes attention. If I CAN be arsed, I put him straight. I think the last time, I said, 'Don't patronise me, old man.' (Big age difference between us.)

In the short term, my responses to him don't make any difference. In the long term, he's actually been very influenced by me. His attitudes to homosexuality, feminism, politics, have all diametrically changed. Although he'd deny it! Even he (old git that he is) thinks Boris is a dinosaur in his attitudes.

I've noticed a lot of the older generation of women are happy to let men carry on with what is now deemed as mysoginistic. Boris Johnson being voted in, case in point.

However, I have noticed a few times that a male poster on Gransnet writes in a very patronising way to the women on this site.

You are obviously feeling patronised. I do not believe that anything that was said patronised anyone and, although no one can say you don't feel that way, you have offered nothing other than personal attack and that is no argument at all. You do not define it any more than your "feeling". If you could describe why you feel patronised it would help.

No doubt if that poster wasn’t a Labour supporter and member but instead supported Boris Johnson, then I very much doubt you would find fault with what I’ve said.

Now you are simply being rude. That is usually, as is calling someone patronising, a sign of insecurity and I haven't the time, patience or inclination to soothe your ego and make you feel better.

I am very aware that there are people on this forum who do not like the fact that others possess information in particular areas they do not and actually take it as some sort of insult and yet is it true of us all.

Jolbook, ha ha, you made me laugh, my DH would definitely ask why I was wearing stupid shoes. He always does when I say I can’t walk as fast as him in heels, not that I wear them very often, but as I once said to him after such a retort ‘ Do you expect me to turn up to your niece’s wedding in my walking boots?’

wrong way round. a Venus b Mars

I respect any bloke who comes on GN and faces "the monstrous regiment of women".
I do not believe men do the mental gymnastics of women. Logic and reason is King.
Men are from Mars; women from Venus.

One to test you OH with to see is he from Mars or Venus

You slip and twist your ankle in stilletto heels
a. Does he commiserate and ask how your are?
b. Or retort "Why wear such stupid shoes"

ans. a. Mars b. Venus

The first three paragraphs of your post, I agree with GG 3.
However, I have noticed a few times that a male poster on Gransnet writes in a very patronising way to the women on this site. I’m surprised you have tried to turn the tables on me and suggest the problem is the way I see it in your final paragraph. Whatever, I stand by what I have said, because I have seen evidence of it happening on several threads. No doubt if that poster wasn’t a Labour supporter and member but instead supported Boris Johnson, then I very much doubt you would find fault with what I’ve said.

I also think there are some women, not all, maddyone, whose self-initiated inferiority complex means they are just rude to anyone of proffers them a share in their own knowledge. It's sad, but hopefully disappearing as society becomes more educated and therefore each person feels competent to discuss with those who know more than they do in a particular area.

Obviously, in conversation, someone would pick up that you do not need an explanation of, for instance, the workings of the union bodies and the Labour party as you would quickly indicate your own knowledge. If someone has made an error, however, taking offence to an explanation seems more like the aforementioned sense of inferiority rather than any form of patronising. Surely, if someone was patronising your lack of knowledge in one area - and we all have greater and lesser knowledge of different areas - they wouldn't bother to share their knowledge with you.

They do say that those who know little believe they know a lot, those who have learned a great deal understand there is a lot they know little about in other areas and more to learn in their own and those who are at recognised as experts know they are experts in their own field but not in others and that there always something to discover in their own.

The subject was relevant to the thread and from someone who probably has greater knowledge in this area than any of us. As far as I am concerned it adds weight to the discussion. If you feel patronised it might be worth asking yourself how seriously you wish to discuss the subject in the first place and why information on the subject is, to you, patronising.

Probably inkcog, my own DH can try explaining or mansplaining to me sometimes. Needless to say he gets told that I won’t be patronised fairly swiftly.

is that like my husband who insists on waving his arms about when he is giving directions to me? I never listen .

inkcog, it is because some men on Gransnet and indeed in the world outside Gransnet, take a superior attitude towards women, and feel they have to explain everything to women. I take the view that it’s patronising to do that and lacks respect for the woman/women they are speaking to.

Whenever Union blokes speak; I think of Peter Sellers in "I'm alright Jack". Brilliant film.

If somebody has knowledge and chooses to share, why is their gender of importance?

We don't say " rambling old woman" do we so why would we say mansplaining?

And, it seems, the Labour Party Annie.

Yes I agree, we know grandad43 has in-depth knowledge of unions

mansplained is quite offensive and irritating tbh. I thought we were living in the 21st century.

So you knew all that Grandad has shared with us inkcog but you chose not to share. Is that right? Grandad did not share because he is a man - that is so totally sexist of you. He shared because it is one area he has in-depth knowledge of. I would hope everyone is prepared to do the same in their areas of knowledge. It seems to have more purpose than coming on GN just to insult other people.

Callistemon, in regard to your post @09:59 today, i believe I have stated a case for how there are still deep connections between the Labour Party and the trade unions, both financial and in terms of membership.

However, i do agree with you that now is perhaps the time to look at those close connections and consider the future.

I do feel that the trade unions could exist satisfactorily without its ties to the existing Labour Party. However, whether the Labour Party could exist without the close support of the broader Labour movement is another matter, and one which would deeply affect the very existence of political democracy in Britain i feel.

Callistemon I agree we do need a modern Labour Party,
everything has to move with the times.

Imagine schools in 2019 still stuck in the 1920’s . !

"Mansplaining"
I quite like it, it suits DH.

Disrespectful? A joke is disrespectful? Lighten up granddad43,