Will the remainers admit defeat?

I am pleasantly surprised that since the exit poll predictions and then the results that more people who supported the Conservatives have felt able to post on GN.

Until now these the political threads have been dominated by Labour and Liberals who have repeated the mantra "Tories do not care, haven't got hearts and are brainwashed by lies"

As I said on another thread, the country has spoken and most people are feeling positive, but the doom mongers are in full flow on these boards. They have decided Armageddon is here and Boris is the antichrist.

Not at all Chestnut. There is a tradition in this old country for people to love freedom and that will keep us going.

It does look as if Ireland and Scotland are going to secede. I liked the United Kingdom but my main worry is England when it becomes ultra right wing.

I'm surprised there are not more people demanding another General Election as they refuse to accept the result of this one!

sarahmob Those that couldn't get to the polls could apply for postal votes. That is what we did as did almost all of the people we were on holiday with.

Quite a number of those who did not vote were not interested in voting, didn't know the election was on and couldn't even have told you who the current PM is. There were also all those totally disillusioned by the political process.

We have a first pass the post system in this country. Accept it. That is how the system was, is and will be, since there seems to be no individual or political will to change it.

Those arguing for different results if we had a different system are like those arguing about how many angels can stand on the head of a pin. We have had an election, you have the results. Get over it and live with reality.

The party I support did not do well. I am quite prepared to accept that it got some of its policies badly wrong and ran a poor campaign. It would be helpful if some supporters of the loosing party could get over their self-delusion and do likewise.

When I read people saying things like ^ I now accept that people will find out the hard way why it wasn’t a good idea but I will have no pleasure in saying ‘I told you so’. I have no doubt we will rejoin on day.^ It makes me furious. How dare they speak like that of ordinary voters who like others on this thread thought through their voting decisions before making them.

But comments like this only reveal the arrogance of many Labour Activists and their contempt for the ordinary voters. I am not and never have voted Conservative, but this election was fought fairly and squarely on policies as each party had a repulsive leader. The voters thought and chose the Conservatives. Labour must like it or lump it and try to find the honesty to be able to analyse where they went wrong - not the electorate.

The worst I can say of Labour is that they are rotten losers, mean spirited and dishonest.

As I said on another thread, the country has spoken and most people are feeling positive, but the doom mongers are in full flow on these boards. They have decided Armageddon is here and Boris is the antichrist.

I`m with both Chestnut and JenniferEccles.
I`m also quite optimistic for the future of our country which I haven't been for many years.

Aprilrose
Wrong end of the stick. Replied to Granny on previous page.
, please read to gauge full facts. Thanks.

Laibik send to you friend by all means.
I have read the list again and cannot see what all the protests are all about - it is simply asking for all the things the Leave Campaign told us they would do and how easy it would be to get trade deals with everyone.
I see that there is a problem with the WTO at the moment and it is unable to function properly.

I don’t understand people saying that the vote to leave isn’t democratic. The people that really cared one way or the other had the chance to vote and it went the way of leaving the EU by a slim majority.

Some of the 53,000,000 voted to remain but a large number either couldn’t (due to age etc) or chose not to make a decision one way or another. People cannot assume that those who didn’t vote would have voted one particular way. Out of the number who chose to vote, the majority was to leave and so that decision should be honoured.

(And before people start sniping back at me for my point of view let me state that I voted to remain, but accept the democratic decision of those who voted)

Only a 67.3% turnout, lower than earlier this year. 2/3rds of the electorate

Your implication being that it is therefore not legitimate? This always seems to me the same ilk of thinking that is found in the comments I have seen that more people voted against Brexit in this election than for it. (or more voted remain).

That isnt how the system works. The system works by electing MP's from constituencies. Mosre voted for Conservative MP's on the basis of a promise of Brexit. You cannot assume how people would vote in a different system by extrapolating figures.

Firstly you cannot assume that all those voting for Labour were voting for remain. Labour did not fight the election on the basis of Brexit. The party who did fight on a remain ticket ( the Lib eral Democrats) lost seats.

The individuals who had swapped parties and stood as remainers also lost their seats.

Secondly you cannot assume that if we did have a system
( like in a referendum) where every vote would be counted rather than constituencies that people would have voted in numbers in the same way as they did by constituency. They probably would not. A different system would have a different impact on how people chose to vote.

The arguments being used are the same ones as have been used by the democrats in the USA. Its false thinking. It does not take account of how people behave in the different situations.

We do not have a system where people are required to vote. There are those who at any one time might be elegible but for various reasons wont be available or able. 67% is still a large turnout. General Elections have been won on less and no one has challenged them.

What is all this about admitting defeat? I voted leave but it wasn't a 'for or against' decision, just a carefully considered choice. Both options have their advantages and disadvantages.

What will we end up with? The EU still hold all the cards. We don't have much bargaining power, so it'll be a huge compromise. The problem with that will be a result that nobody really wanted. We'll 'leave' - but not really!

Granny Square

Only a 67.3% turnout, lower than earlier this year. 2/3rds of the electorate.

I think we all need to just work together and there is no point in expecting apologies I'm sure they did what they thought right at the time. In the end we all want the same,ba better Britain, we have to see how things develop in a spirit of hope.

No - but I now accept that people will find out the hard way why it wasn’t a good idea but I will have no pleasure in saying ‘I told you so’. I have no doubt we will rejoin on day.

People are entitled to their own opinion. Whether you agree with them or not. All I know for sure is that Johnson and his cronies will do very well out of this. The rest of us will pay. Apart from that nothing, but nothing is certain.

Size of UK population eligible to vote.

‘The total number of UK Parliamentary electors in December 2018 was 45,775,800,...’

Source: ONS www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/elections/electoralregistration/bulletins/electoralstatisticsforuk/2018

Should I assume that every leaver in this country thinks like you?

No, but as with everything there will be some like me, so similar to me but more accommodating etc. ( and some will think quite differently), just as not all of the 16 million who voted remain are not out to make the demands in Welshwifes list or who still have some kind of belief that their needs must be put above the majority of 17.4 million who voted to leave and are still the majority and democracy works on majority, not the minority, no matter how big that minority think they are.

Welshwife posted something that she agreed with and, quite rightly pointed out that she hadn't written it. Because, if she hadn't done so, someone would have picked up on it and used it against her. What is wrong with quoting something we agree with but didn't write ourselves? If it's ok to do so I'd like to send it to a friend also if that's ok.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOMyS78o5YI

Sorry got the wrong one
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* Greta* - That's what I pray for every day.
Only God knows what will come out of this mess.

Urmstongran How can you claim with any degree of certainty what Johnson thinks? Or are you claiming that he's deliberately misled people? Surely not!

Labaik I don’t think Boris thinks Brexit in its entirety will be ‘done and dusted’. That would be naive. He’s certainly not daft.

However I do think 31 January 2020 (or before - I think he’ll get the WA ratified earlier) marks a watershed moment. There’ll be NO going back and the significance won’t be lost in that action.

So ‘done and dusted’ metaphorically. Quite a statement.