Will the remainers admit defeat?

Callistemon thank you for correcting me about the paid fire service. I was watching an interview with an Australian this morning when she said the fire fighters were all volunteers.

I notice that you haven't said that my comments about China made you feel sick.

Callistemon wrote:
"Actually, Dinahmo, you using the disaster in Australia to score a political point about Brexit has left me feeling rather sick.2

Are you sure it wasn't the content of what she wrote that made you feel sick? Because it is sickening that we have abandoned this fledgling European community which was both our safety and our moral rightness as traders.

HootyMcOwlface - well you know what they say "there's many a true word said in jest". Lets just hope that in this case, that is not what will happen, but I won't hold my breath!

Let’s hope you’re still laughing after a few years.

Following copied off Facebook:

Trade talks, a prediction: (courtesy of @RussInCheshire)

UK - We don't like our deal
EU - Why not?
UK - We only get 95% of what we want
EU - It only gives us 95% too
UK - We want a new deal that gives us 100% of what we want
EU - But that means we only get 90% of what we want

UK - Yes, but we don't care. We hate you.
EU - Bit rude
UK - We elected people to go to your meetings specifically to say we hate you
EU - We noticed
UK - So we want a new deal, and we want the deal in 11 months or we cancel our existing deal
EU - Wait.. what?

UK - We've put it into law: you give us 100% of what we want in 11 months, or we walk away with 0% of what we want
EU - Erm... suits us!
UK - Wait, what?
EU - Perfect, do it. Ealk away
UK - No, hold on, wait: you have to negotiate, so Boris can win

EU - Why? Right now you have 95% of perfect and we have 95% of perfect. If we negotiate, you get 100% and we get 90%.
UK - That's right
EU - But if we don't negotiate, we still have 95%... and you have 0%
UK - But... no, you're not meant to say that

EU - And if we don't have a deal, we don't have to put up with you sending people to our meetings to say you hate us
UK - The Daily Mail made us do it and then ran away!
EU - So we'll just sit it out for 11 months
UK - Fine, we'll go and make a great deal with the US

US - Yo suckers
UK - Could we have a trade deal please, sir?
US - Sure thing. We want 100% of everything, plus 51% controlling share in the NHS, and you get, let's see... 60% of what you have now
UK - Not good enough
US - Bye
UK - What?
US - Bye. Talks are over. Bye

UK - But we haven't got a deal!
US - We are 26% of world trade, making deals with EU (20%) and China (17%). We don't need your 1.8%.
UK - But we really need a deal, the EU outsmarted us
US - We know. Some of us can read. Not Trump, obviously, but the rest of us. Try India

UK - Hi India, remember us?
India - Oh fuck, these guys again
UK - We want a trade deal
India - And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK
UK - We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist
India - That is brand new information!!

UK - So can we have a deal?
India - Sure. Join the queue
UK - Who's in the queue?
India - USA, China, Brazil, EU, Korea, Canada, Australia... basically everybody. We're kind of a big deal now.
UK - So you'll be ready to negotiate in, what: 11 months?
India - ha ha ha ha ha

UK - What did we say?
India - 11 months? Try 11 years. This shit takes ages, bro
UK - But we had a timetable of 11 months with the EU
India - And how did that work out?
UK - erm...
India - Try China

UK - Can we please have a trade deal?
China - Sorry, who are you?
UK - We're Great Britain
China - Great, you say?
UK - Well... once
China - And what do you want?
UK - A trade deal worthy of our status
China - You've got one
UK - No we haven't

China - Yes you have. With the EU. You don't need to renegotiate your trade deals: you need to reassess your status. Cos you're not a mighty nation, you're a small, wet, heavily indebted island on the edge of a globally important trading bloc... which you left, you goons

UK - So, what do you suggest?
China - You already know
...
EU - Hello again. Here to rejoin?
UK - Yes, on the same terms as before.
EU - Oh, I don't think so. Say goodbye to your rebate, hello to the Euro, and bonjour to the Schengen area. You are so dumb.
UK - We hate you!

Actually, Dinahmo, you using the disaster in Australia to score a political point about Brexit has left me feeling rather sick.

It's their problem. Apparently, Workington has twice the national level of unemployment, so I guess the town will benefit hugely from investment in new industry and infrastructure (cough cough). I'm not sure what happens if all these wonderful opportunities don't materialise, but fingers crossed they do.

Dinahmo Australia does have a paid Fire Service. They were fighting the fires sending over helicopters constantly when I was there recently.

There are over 6,800 paid firefighters in NSW and nearly as many volunteer firefighters.

It is such a vast country, though, that volunteers are an essential part of the fire fighting force out bush, they are the Rural Fire Service, who know exactly what is required of them.

They have also been joined by some professional volunteers from Canada to help them.
What have we done for a member of our Commonwealth? Have we sent anyone to help in this disaster?

I agree, the Australian PM is a disgrace.

Where is Workington Man/Woman going to find the truth behind the lies?

So what is "Workington Man (and Woman)" looking forward to in the future?

FC61
I think you will find that thousands, even millions of people who voted to leave and also voted conservative ( and not necessarily for Boris) were very aware of all your points.
The question is: whether you believe them. It might surprise you to know that even 'Workington man' digs a little deeper than the tabloid headings to find the truth/lies.

FC61 Most of the topics you mention were regularly mentioned in the many threads about the EU by several Remainers, several times. They were invariably shouted down by the Leavers who possibly didn't want to know them.

My problem with Brexit is we were never told the facts and democracy depends on education information intelligence all of which were missing imho. We were not told that our country depends on income generated by finance sector ( a trillion a day EU clearing passed through London) in London which is currently departing for Paris Frankfurt! We were not told that real cost of EU is 6 billion pa. We were not told Russia wants us out to protect their money from new EU tax evasion laws coming in Jan 2020. We were not told US companies are depending on new income from us! We were not told some pharmaceuticals will disappear because of extra cost NHS won’t pay. Not to mention we may lose NHS ! Trump asked hundreds times why should people get health for free ? We were not told our illegal immigration is not from EU it’s Albanian African etc. We were not told that although we get our fishing back we don’t have processing we rely on French so it will rot. We weren’t told France will let thousands of immigrants held back in Calais to UK now. We weren’t told Cummings spent 7 yrs in Russia and is more a Rusky than Corbyn ever was. We weren’t told that Bozo has a history of telling lies through his back teeth and doesn’t see anything wrong with it. Or that he thinks he should have four wives. Or that he is currently making it illegal to defend Palestine . So much for democracy !

And of course, once we've left, we can trade with China, a country which has thousands of Muslims in detention centres and uses forced labour from the foreign sections of their prisons to pack cards for Tescos.

We can also trade with Australia, a country whose PM is a climate change denier and disappears on holiday whilst parts of his country are on fire. Whose firemen are nearly all volunteers. Apparently it doesn't have a paid fire fighting force. one can only hope that money will be found to counsel those firefighters traumatised by what they've seen and heard.

I would like to know what those two countries want to buy from us?

I agree with your comment GagaJo that I worry for my grandson though.
I too worry for my grandchildren, but not about Brexit. I worry about the effects of social media, online pornography, online grooming, online bullying, graphic violence in games, films and TV. These things can reach them in their bedrooms and affect their mental health. Much more likely to damage their lives than Brexit.

Ps and the couple of people I mentioned also care.
One older, one very young.
They just think differently to remainers, that's all.
They see opportunities not obstacles.

I don't think most people even know that the bombing is still going on growstuff.

I live in a nice Tory shire in a nice house with nice neighbours, with a nice car and nice holidays but me and mine (apart from a couple) voted Remain as did the majority in our constituency and yes we do care.

How can you generalise like that suzied*?

Yes, I do.

I meant does anyone here in the UK care about Syria?

Everyone I know is either upset or trying to ignore Brexit. Kids at school think it's crazy, family and friends are unhappy. IMO the whole thing is insane. I'm glad I'm kicking on a bit. The way the UK is going, I'm happy I haven't got a whole lifetime ahead. I worry for my grandson though.

All these people who live in their sunny bubbles, probably in some semi rural toryshire, in a nice house with nice car and nice holidays, obviously don’t care about anyone else who doesn’t feel the same, and not because they are miseries but because they have actual tangible reasons for their lack of hope. If it makes you happy to screw up the lives of others then enjoy.

MawB well said

Children are still being killed in Syria
In Tell Rifaat recently twelve children were killed in one day by the Syrian regime and Turkish forces.

Is that ever reported here?
No, people just wrangle on and on and on about Brexit.
Does anyone here care?

Don’t they just Chestnut!

You obviously mix in different circles too Chestnut.

Goodness me Oopsminty! Where did you find those vacuous soundbites?