Will the remainers admit defeat?

Well said JenniferEccles - I am SO relieved that the misery scenario predicted on here is not representative of the views of the majority of the country.
The same posters keep popping up on every thread repeating the same old message of misery and doom. The people I've spoken to are mightily relieved with the election result and feel a good deal more hopeful and optimistic than before.

All my close family and all of my friends are remainers. Most of us are only keeping cheerful by trying to ignore the future. As my 83-year-old brother put it “I’ll be dead. Good luck, kids.” We are distressed at passing this fiasco on to the younger generations.

That is quite a rant GGMK3. Did you get out of the bed on the wrong side?
What a horrible time we live in when an OP is not about politics. - the bit that matters - but simply about winning and losing.
Where in the OP does it mention winning and losing? It doesn't. You have twisted the subject in your head to make it so. It simply refers to those people who won't accept that the country has voted to leave three times. If you choose to read more into it then that's your problem.

Jura2. Negativity breeds negativity

I'm happy to be surrounded with people of all political persuasions. Remainers and Brexiteers
Young and old

None of them are filled with doom and gkoom

Misery loves company

I guess that depends on your circle of acquaintances JenniferEccles. I don't sense much optimism amongst the people I know and with whom I have contact.

Apart from anecdotal evidence, do you have anything to back up your claim that "the misery scenario predicted on here is not representative of the views of the majority of the country"?

In any case, even if there's only a majority of one, are you really so insensitive that you don't care about the other 16 million (or so)?

Depends on your 'circles' - we have done a lot of visiting last week- and all the people we know are either in dispair, or very worried- yes even those who voted for Conservatives...

The majority of us did not vote for the brexitories.

I am SO relieved that the misery scenario predicted on here is not representative of the views of the majority of the country.

Out in the real world, rather than on here I sense a mood, a feeling of optimism now we have got rid of the frankly terrifying prospect of ghastly Corbyn in power, and instead have a Tory government led by an enthusiastic, inspiring Boris Johnson.

However, some on here will always seek to see the negative, but as I said thankfully you do not represent the majority of us.

We lost and the leavers also lost. The whole country has lost a great deal and may not even survive.

Those who actually won are people who do not wish us well. The aim was to destabilise the UK, the EU and damage our liberal democracy.

Vladimir Putin won, Rupert Murdoch won, Crispin Odey won. It was a win for unscrupulous billionaires, but not for any of us.

I’m a remainer till I die. I can’t do anything about the leave vote, but it has nothing to do with me.

How lovely it has been to be too busy to even look at threads like this in the run-up to Christmas. What a horrible time we live in when an OP is not about politics. - the bit that matters - but simply about winning and losing.

Winning and losing. We seem to have lost all sense of grace and knowledge that today you "win" but tomorrow it could be someone else. It also seems that people want to win just for winning's sake. If you win the Booker Prize you are not a winner for more than a moment in time, but you remain a fiction writer. All the runners-up are fiction writers too and it will make little difference, except in a small world, for more than a moment. The same applies to artists and athletes. They are defined by their work, not their win.

As for winning and losing the referendum. Have you noticed that no one has said the Tory's did not win the election? To "win" the referendum, which the OP seems to be desperate for others to say they have, you have to have the losers consent. It seems the Tories do - for this election. However, I doubt that the referendum will ever be seen by some as something other than that thrust upon us by a by lies, dishonesty and unscrupulous practices. So no winner and no loser just a little less democracy.

So did the leave voters "win". No, but they did add to the corruption of our democracy and I, for one, will never see it any differently. Meanwhile, those you are so desperate to see as 'losers' will no doubt be joining those very people in picking up the pieces of our shattered democracy and economy.

Chesnut can not see any benefits from leaving. This government has just given themselves powers that override anyones objections and I have just heard that good old Boris has approved the takeover of some defence contract by the US. It will only get worse, so no positives from me.

As a Remain voter (because I couldn’t get a clear idea of the implications of Leave) . I am cautiously optimistic about the deadlock we had being broken. It’s one reason I am glad we now have a majority Govt once again. I can’t stand Boris Johnson and wasn’t keen on Jeremy Corbyn either. It’s no surprise then that I was pissed off on Friday morning last week ?.

I think we need to now get on with Brexit and deal with the issues as and when they come up.

There will be positives and negatives as a result of Brexit....and I won’t have any truck with Leave voters complaining about any negative issues they encounter.

I am expecting most Leave voters to be happy and okay with any issues though. The only people who might complain are the racists who thought Brexit meant no immigration but this is a minority of Leave voters.

Personally I think there will be a middle road and a way forward. I’m expecting the economy to take a significant hit though and as the parent of a disabled child this concerns me as it will be social costs which suffer most.

The title of the thread relates to the referendum itself. No-one is saying that the leavers are winners in life any more than the remainers are losers in life. Both will eventually benefit from leaving the EU but it will take time.
I have to say the 'attitude of leavers' which you criticise is no worse than the 'attitude of remainers' on these threads. Both have strong feelings and you can't blame the leavers for feeling happy.

Please stop repeating the myth that the country voted to leave. It was, as Greta says above, 52% of those who voted. Too narrow a margin, which has inevitably led to a large number of people feeling disenfranchised and that's where the anger resonates from.

Mr Johnson had fine words this morning in Parliament but we have seen only too clearly the attitude of the right and of those who tell us they voted to leave on this forum. Even the title of this thread tells us that if Mr Johnson believes what he said to be true - no winners and losers, no leavers and remainers, it is not what we see on here. There is a still a sense of the "good kicking" the right like to use to persuade but perhaps it will become less of the far-right as we see it here in the younger generations.

Please stop repeating the myth that the country voted to leave. It was, as Greta says above, 52% of those who voted. Too narrow a margin, which has inevitably led to a large number of people feeling disenfranchised and that's where the anger resonates from.

Would you invest in anything and wait to see whether it works or not? I echo the sentiments of GillT57 and I dread the day when, as I've cited on other threads, my DGS becomes a 'foreigner'.

I note the plan to bring Drs and nurses from 'overseas' is the term used, in order to fulfil their promise of more professionals in the NHS. What a farce this has become.

* the question is whether the good outweighs the bad*, not quite the sunny uplands that the Johnson cabinet are promising eh? I am beyond despair that people can be so flippant about the future for me and my family.

Greta - will you now accept that your vote to leave the EU may not turn out to be the right decision when all is said and done.
All will not be said and done for quite some time. It will take a few years before the benefits of leaving become apparent, and there will of course be some adverse effects too. Change always brings both good and bad, the question is whether the good outweighs the bad.

I had to turn the tv off this morning as Johnson and his smug front bench outlined what they had in mind for our future. There is little I can do to change this most unwelcome result, and with no effective opposition I can see no chance of this ghastly juggernaut of deregulation, demolition of rights and broken promises being stopped, especially as inexplicably so many people who will be far worse off have voted for it. I feel sadness for many who have been taken in by the fake promises, but even more sad for those of us who did not vote for it but will have to live with the result of other people's decisions for a long time. This is bad enough, but to have people on here who should know better, tell me to 'get over it' or to crow about the result has upset me beyond belief. Merry Christmas.

WHERE does it say its about the referendum?

Well stop posting on a thread which is about the referendum then!

Chestnut: ...some people still unable to accept that the result was not what they wanted.

I accept the result, Chestnut, but what I can't accept is that 52% of voters necessarily got it right. So, will you now accept that your vote to leave the EU may not turn out to be the right decision when all is said and done.

MawB Fri 20-Dec-19 10:40:44
Will people now stop dividing our society into Remainers and Leavers and focus instead on “haves” and “havre-nots” and concentrate their energies on social injustice here and abroad.
I am sick of the infighting and backbiting and jibes and recriminations. Look at Syria, look at the refugees risking their lives in little boats and realise that whatever your views on Brexit - there are so many so much worse off. ?

EXACTLY!

There is a difference between the Tories winning an election on the basis of FPTP and saying the country voted to leave. The first is true. The second is untrue.

And my point Chestnut is a plea for these divisions not to be perpetuated further.
Banging on o a variety of threads gets us nowhere