Will the remainers admit defeat?

But at least the uncertainty is over , so yes I have accepted it

Here’s another piece that was written in the magazine
And yet the tragedy remains that the election delivered a majority for the Conservatives only in terms of seats. 52 percent of the electorate—a number whose irony speaks for itself – voted for parties either supporting a referendum or an explicit Remain position. Just as voters support Remain in opinion polls, the British public did not reject that outcome on Thursday. And yet despite all that, Brexit is coming, fast and hard. It promises to be a disaster. And as a consequence of our many mistakes, we must simply watch it unfold.

but hey , that’s just my take on it .

“The pro-referendum parties had the advantage in ultimately attracting more voters. They (Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP, Plaid and the Greens) won 52.1 per cent of the vote in Britain while the pro-Brexit forces (the Tories and the Brexit party) won a combined 46.8 per cent, with the remainder split between various independents.” Prospectmagazine.
I read this in an article the above publication , but did the maths myself before that.

JenniferEccles the figures are the number of votes cast as opposed to the number of seats won.

I like those "statistics" that sound deranged when said out loud, lol!

Trumps lackey

Where have you come up with those figures Atqui ?

Let us never forget that government is ourselves and not an alien power over us. The ultimate rulers of our democracy are not a President and senators and congressmen and government officials, but the voters of this country. Franklin D. Roosevelt
Strongly agree.

2019 General Election - the country voted to leave with a massive Conservative majority
But only 48% of vote was pro Brexit and 52% pro remain ( or 2nd ref) so reverse of the 2016 ref.

Is there any need to adopt such a condescending tone Chestnut? How on earth do you know that there won't be regret in a few years time about the disastrous decision that's been made? People who passionately believe in Europe and that we should have a place in it because we feel it in our hearts as well as our minds, will never agree that the decision to leave was in our best interests.

Yes, I'm a passionate remainer. And will feel regret and sadness about Brexit for as long as I live.

Chestnut, definitely NOT. We're going to be in a MESS with out Europe and we'll be Trumps lackey. Very sad days.

Dream on varian. Once we are properly out we won't want to go back in again. You may even agree ten years from now.

If we leave the EU, as looks likely, we may at some time in the future see the error of our ways and ask to be readmitted, but we will never again get such a good deal as we have now.

I accepted a while ago we would end up leaving in some form or another. The Leavers have won the battle but they have yet to win the war. The withdrawal agreement will be ratified on the 31st January with its border down the Irish sea. The trade arrangements then start to be negotiated. I suspect most of that will be done behind closed doors so we will not know the terms until we are committed to them. It will not be my generation that will win the war but the young ones coming up behind us who did not vote because they were not old enough and who therefore cannot be bound by this 'once in a lifetime' decision. If they want to return to a closer arrangement with the EU in whatever form it then is, they will.

GracesGranMK3, thanks for the explanation, I was a little confused!

From Facebook:

Canada here. For anyone believing that a renegotiated EU trade agreement under Brexit and a new trade deal with the USA and other countries will be nice, easy and fast, guess again.
1. The US Mexico Canada trade deal known as NAFTA was negotiated in 5+yrs in the 80's. As soon as the Trump Republicans assumed power, he slapped tariffs on half the world and told Canada and Mexico he was canceling NAFTA and it would have to be renegotiated. That the North American manufacturing and resources industries were totally integrated meant nothing. Fast forward 3yrs and the negotiations are still ongoing, large business has no idea where they stand and really can't plan for anything. Small business is in even worse shape with planning. How do you make business plans when the rules you are planning for may change at any time. Plus, even if a deal is ratified, the USA can just pull out to renegotiate again. They don't play fair in trade deals. They never have.
2. Then there is the perception driven by Tory BS that an EU / UK (if there still is a UK) trade renegotiation under Brexit would be easy and quick. Guess again. The EU know you're coming, so why would they be nice when they know they can dither, delay and shuffle their feet to get a better deal for themselves?
3. It took 7yrs for Canada and the EU to ratify the trade agreement known as CETA. At one point in the 11th hour it almost didn't happen because it was voted down by a bunch of influencial dairy farmers in a small autonomous region of Belgium who wouldn't let that region sign the deal.
4. The attached link will tell you that a perceived friend, Canada, is going to take a wait and see stance on any trade deal with the UK. Why? Officially, too many unknowns on the present UK. Unofficially? Dither, delay and shuffle our feet to get a better deal. Expect to see that with a lot of other countries.
www.cbc.ca/news/politics/brexit-canada-saturday-1.5396420

Nevertheless, most voters voted for parties which wanted to revoke Article 50 or at least have a second referendum.

Only a minority voted for the brexitories but thanks to our corrupt undemocratic voting system, that minority won.

Jo Swinson obviously thought she’d immediately attract over 16 million votes too. She thought it was a given.

She forgot to factor in that the public might feel slightly uncomfortable with her ‘Revoke’ stance sweeping a democratic vote off the table.

Some of us have always hoped that the will of the majority of voters in the UK, who have demonstrated, not just in hundreds of polls, but also in last week's election, that they want to remain in the EU, would prevail, but sadly our democracy was perverted in 2016 and is still rotten to the core.

Nothing is ever "bound to happen" it just seems like it afterwards.

GGMK I am lost to whom you are referring to in your last post? The para “to put it delicately”.

This was bound to happen either way. I am very sad about it all though.

I have just opened a plastic thingy of roses to eat, wish they still used tins instead of plastic but Cadbury’s are owned now by Americans. Slightly off post.

I maintained this is what would happen in several pre-election threads

I would have simply accepted your post if you had stopped there, but no, we have to have the sideswipe

but some remainers still wanted to keep the pot boiling for goodness knows how long.

To put it delicately you are not telling it how it is. No one who voted leave came on here and started a nasty, goady thread talking about people who were not even posting. You can try all you like but the sh*t stirring has not come from 2016 leave voters. The 'keeping the argument going" has not come from 2016 leave voters and it is simply more of the right-wing attempt to paint lies as the truth to say it has.

I don't even think there is a thread on here where leave voters are discussing leave or remain. Only people like yourself are doing that.

Curlywhirly I takes me ages to type a post and should have made it clearer who I was replying to, in fact, I think we agree. I was replying to the same person you were replying to

Opal ... you were one of the worst on here for name-calling if someone stated a right-wing view.

I missed out the swearing you seem to need to resort to. Put a nasty thread on here, deliberately goad people and I have no intention of being polite and gently taking the graceless rubish. If GNHQ does not want to ensure people don't inflame an already unhappy situation then I will say exactly what I think. Stop the attack threads. That's all I ask. It's quite possible to discuss without starting out looking for a fight.