Will the remainers admit defeat?

Agreed the last three years have been a nightmare and not what leavers expected at all. We should all actually be grateful we now have a strong government because the alternative would be more of the same and endless arguments. Brexit would have simply dragged on and on without being resolved. I think most people realised that and voted accordingly. I maintained this is what would happen in several pre-election threads but some remainers still wanted to keep the pot boiling for goodness knows how long.

GracesGranMK3 - I think you will see from any of my previous posts that I have never posted a rude or aggressive post, wouldn't dream of it, and I have never argued with anybody. I am also a Socialist, not a Tory. I merely think that if Labour or Lib Dems had won, some would have been very unhappy and would most certainly have said so.

Newnanny
It would be very nice to think the country will heal but unfortunately, I do think this will take a long, long time. Perhaps when 31/1 is over and times start to move then the country may well start. The anticipation of the last three years has really been more than either leave or remain could stand, its been truly awful.

Good gracious GGMK3 that is really not very nice.

Perhaps I should have written discussion instead of argument, always willing to admit if I made a mistake. I have mild Aspergers (discovered at 55 years) so sometimes do not realise I muddle words. Am always happy to be pulled up though!

After Jan 31st, we will have left the EU so then perhaps the Remainers' will just give up. It is more important now to focus on the future deal with both EU and other countries around the world too. Boris wants to heal the country, so we can come back together.

GGMK3 I resent the nasty slurs, childish name-calling and deliberate flaming that's going on but that isn't coming from the Labour or LD voters

Wow, have you got a short f***g memory ...... you were one of the worst on here for name-calling if someone stated a right wing view.

Just looking through these boards it is not the leavers who are unhappy. There are still plenty of sore remainers still posting about how unfair it all is and how more people didn't vote Conservative than did and so on. Hence the title of this thread. I questioned whether they would admit defeat regarding leave or remain and accept the result. Most people will of course, but clearly some still won't.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 16-Dec-19 14:47:46
Whose having an "argument". I resent the nasty slurs, childish name-calling and deliberate flaming that's going on but that isn't coming from the Labour or LD voters; it's coming from those who don't know how to win gracefully.

Exactly. I just DON'T get why they want to hash and rehash. Surely they should be out celebrating their win. AND looking forward to a new, blue life?!

Ngaio1 Mon 16-Dec-19 14:55:44
I imagine there will always be some twozzocks who cannot accept they have lost. We now have a "not my prime minister" gang.

Not many. Most of us understand what's done is done and just accept it. Unlike the 'winners' who don't appear to be happy with the win. God knows why! Possibly they just enjoy the whole combative process. Although I voted Labour and I was sad we lost, I've LONG since moved on. It's over. Done and dusted. Find something else to do!

I imagine there will always be some twozzocks who cannot accept they have lost. We now have a "not my prime minister" gang.

You only have to look at the years and years that people like Farage have challenged the original decisions. Of course, there would have been some that would.

Add to that the sentence "I doubt we would be having this argument if Labour or Lib Dem's had won the election' - I for one certainly think we would!!!!" Whose having an "argument". I resent the nasty slurs, childish name-calling and deliberate flaming that's going on but that isn't coming from the Labour or LD voters; it's coming from those who don't know how to win gracefully.

Oh CoolioC you say 'I doubt we would be having this argument if Labour or Lib Dem's had won the election' - I for one certainly think we would!!!!

Although I have a strong feeling you don't even know you are doing it.

The only bile was yours CoolioC.

GRACESGRANMK3
Actually, I do believe in what I wrote. I don’t believe what you wrote.

Yes, challenge, but not with bile. Let’s move on.

You all need to move on, frankly.

HOW long are you going to argue about winning something you wanted? It is a bit sad, to be honest.

If Remainers can move on and accept it, you DEFINITELY need to.

Who started another "nasty" thread CoolioC. They should have a special category on here "Nasty threads for people who forget what majorities can do to a country."

Anyone can go on challenging for as long as they like. This I doubt we would be having this argument if Labour or the Lib Dem’s had won the election. on past history is rubbish and I imagine you know it is.

I doubt we would be having this argument if Labour or the Lib Dem’s had won the election. It would have been onward and upward for pulling Article 50 and that would be that.

Proportional representation has reared its head since 2016 and because the vote didn’t go the way of those who wished to remain. PR leads to hung parliaments and we all know where that got us. Nothing gets done in the countries where their parliaments are hung with Italy being a long standing victim of this. Also they still have or definitely had in the past a leader who well what can we say “was as bent as a nine Bob note”. No wonder Italians are leaving in their droves.

Stop saying 'the country voted to leave. It didn't jst over half the country did. I am not arguing the Leave vote and never have, they won, we all leave, but just do not present as a 'country decision'.

Whether those who voted to leave go on fighting is neither here or there at this very moment and probably none of the OPs business. They are not a clumped together group and will each make their own decision.

Leaving is not the "right" answer, it is the chosen answer and majorities if that is how you choose to see this, can be wrong, of course they can.

The nastily put, heavily biased OP has been written so the writer may, rather than just stirring yet again, want other people's thoughts (although I doubt it having read it). If so mine would be that all of us, whatever we thought was best for the country will no doubt wait and see for the time being.

Varian, yes, Trump lost the popular vote by 2,868,686 votes! Crazy, isn't it? As M0nica says, it's how the system works over here. Crappy system, IMHO.

Varian Trump was running a two horse race, so yes, he won with less than half the votes, which sounds unfair, but is how ntheir system runs.

In the UK we no longer run 2 horse races. Our races have, usually three or four horses running all with different characteristics, you cannot just then say it is unfair because if you add up the votes of all the other runners they had more votes than the winner. You are adding the votes of voters who made very different political decisions and possibly voted for parties utterly opposed to each other.

All you can say is that having added up the votes for all the parties, one party was the winner by getting more votes than the second past the post and the same applies when all the seats and votes are aggregated. I would certainly resent it if my vote was treated as if it was the same as a Labour vote and aggregated with it.

Why have you been so grumpy since the election? I thought you were a fellow Lib Dem. In an election like this, which was a grudge match between the thugs of the other two parties, we were bound to be squeezed and we had in our manifesto policies that were bound to play badly with the electorate. In constituencies like mine, where Labour didn't stand a chance there was a nearly 20% swing to the Lib Dems, one of the biggest in the country.

I think when the detailed analysis comes out, I think Lib Dems will be seen to have lost votes where the two big boys were eyeball to eyeball and have gained where this wasn't the case - as in my constituency.

So cheer up, things are not as bad as they look!

Ah Pagzy, that could well be where the confusion lies with aprilrose: Proxy Vote as opposed to Postal Vote.

Johnson, like his friend Trump has been handed power by a MINORITY of voters.

When will the leavers admit that they may have "won", because of our appallingly undemocratic FPTP voting system, but it is still the case that for the last three years the overwhelming majority of polls showed that most folk in the UK want to remain in the EU and this was confirmed by a majority voting in the GE for parties which wanted to remain or were offering a second referendum?

This is a travesty of democracy - a minority of votes obtaining a majority of MPs so they can do what they like for the next five years and ruin our country to the advantage of the tax dodging billionaires and Mr Putin.

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