What now for Labour Party ?

I’m not fussy on Stephen Kinnock but don’t understand what’s wrong with his accent, I would prefer it to the hooray Henry accents of the posh Tories.

So many names on ‘Labour List’ this morning.

I suspect Andy Burnham is happy enough in Manchester.

I Think Andy Burnham should have had the Labour leadership instead of Corbyn, we may be facing a different result now if he had, I wish he would try for it again.

He hasn’t a strong accent

But would Stephen Kinnock's accent be acceptable Anniebach?

Cambridge is my nearest city and it is indeed a Labour/LibDem stronghold. It's all very well for Caroline Flint to sneer, but I know the city well. The "town and gown" division is still strong. The NHS is the biggest single employer and about a third of the city live in former council housing, as it was a major post-war overspill area. It is also young and ethnically diverse - not what most tourists or outsiders expect.

TerriBull I think Wandsworth is in the same constituency and there are certainly pockets of poverty.

Putney voted Labour from 1964 to 1979 and from 1997-2005.

Two factors which might affect the London and other city votes is that the population is, on average, younger and more ethnically diverse.

Wonder if Stephen Kinnock will stand

Could anyone explain to me how if Corbyn was so despised by the electorate the party managed to do so well in 2017 when he was still leader? I can see a couple of possible reasons, one is the steady drip of poison from the MSM and the other is Boris's profile and personality. Incidently I do think that one of the policies that possibly appealed to the voting public was his comments on Islam. And seems to me that as anti-semitism is so roundly condemned by everyone Islamaphobia is not only on the increase but may be regarded as understandable and possibly acceptable.

Then why did you ask GracesGran ? Most odd

M0nica in regard to your post @08:56 today, the Labour Party requiring to be an electable organisation may well be five years "down the track" and it may not even exist in the form that it is now.

However, I have the feeling that those on this forum who have stated they never have supported the Labour Party, and yet are showing such interest in that organisation may have ulterior motives.

In that, when the unpopular bills begin to pass through parliament, such as the ending of the triple lock on state pensions, they will shout " oh if only we had an effective opposition in the House of Commons"

They will shout that in the hope that we all forget that the Tories have a huge majority in the House of Commons and therefore no opposition party will be able to stop them enacting anything.

I agree growstuff that London has many impoverished areas, often abutting more afluent parts, but that's the nature of major cities. I know Putney it's only a few miles away from where I live. I also know that west London and it's environs voted remain, I did, thus it's a Lib Dem stronghold, we have a Lib Dem MP. It certainly wouldn't have been a surprise if Putney had gone Lib Dem.

I find ousted northern Labour MP, Caroline Flint's words resounded with me, lamenting the loss of northern Labour seats she said something along the lines of "but that's alright Labour's got Cambridge, Canterbury and Putney"

Strange times, we have "a toff" leading the Conservatives, who die hard Labour supporters have "lent" their vote to shunning the political home of where their natural allegiances have always lain because that party has become unpalatable to them.

Observations of several members of the family who work in publishing, all very left slanted and dare I say it "woke" concerned about issues that the wider population don't know or give a stuff about," many of those colleagues haven't got a clue what's going on outside the M25!"

No thank you, Annie; I have better things to do. I think discussing who is going to possibly, as it was then, lead our country is very different to this particular moment in time. You are not Labour now, or so you tell us but just as obsessed by the subject as you always were.

Off to do nice things with nice people. I have a feeling life's too short for Gransnet.

Labour won Putney because it voted to remain in the EU and Labour invested loads in canvassing.

The "metropolitan elite" of London, Liverpool and Manchester vote Labour because they're poor!

PS. Hackney is the seventh poorest area in the country.

It really and truly is not true that London is a wealthy place for the majority of people who live there:

www.trustforlondon.org.uk/news/who-really-left-behind/

And here's a map showing the areas where poverty levels are over 40%. The average for the UK is just over 20%.

Read the Tory Leadership thread GracesGran

Jess Philips, Kier Starmer or Yvette Cooper for Leader.

When the Conservative party held a leadership contest this year the labour supporters here certainly gave their opinions on those standing so why not those who are not labour supporters give their opinions on the next labour leader?

Which "Labour supporters" were those then Annie?

GGMk3 There are very good reasons why people who would not vote Labour are very keen to see an active electable Labour Party.

It is called Democracy. A country with one dominant party in its Parliament finds it very to remain democratic. In economic terms a monopoly gives a company freedom to exploit its market. Competition helps to control it.

That is why those of us who believe in democracy believe it is very important that the Labour party onc again becomes an electable party that can offer a real challenge to the Conservatives and offer a credible alternative government. The results of the 2019 election show that isn't so at the moment.

Urmstongran, I belive that Joe Mann is no longer in parliment. I did read that he did not even stand for reelection. ?

It is interesting that the ‘Metropolitan elite’ to quote Terri, are such staunch Labour voters. Theoretically one would think they would not vote Labour, but the more highly educated they are, the better their jobs (careers) are, the more middle class they are, the more they tend to vote Labour. Looking at where seats were won and lost, it’s easy to draw these conclusions. I certainly don’t think that it’s because they are all altruistic and super caring about the working class, often they despise them and say they the working class don’t know what they’v voted for, don’t understand the issues etc etc. So what is the appeal, is it simply the thing to do? Do they feel guilty about the private schools their children attend and their million pound houses?
Terribull describes an interview she saw on television with a woman called Grace and Jacqui Smith where the woman shouted Jacqui Smith down, so convinced that she, and only she, held the correct opinion.
Meanwhile, the working class gets on with manning (or womanning) the buses and trains, driving the delivery lorries, cleaning various public and private buildings, attending to everyone’s needs in Asda and Tesco and so on, catching the fish we eat, and a thousand more jobs.
Why do the ‘metropolitan elite’ vote Labour?

Well said Anniebach
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