What now for Labour Party ?

I would rather see a Labour Party that is electable, that the majority of people in this country vote for. What's the point of an opposition party with solid principles if it can't stop a government with a huge majority wreaking havoc on public services, the poor and vulnerable.

Maybe Iam or maybe the system is changing radically and smaller parties will learn to stop the name-calling and work out how to coalesce, changing groupings from election to election. Maybe there will be two parties from the original Labour Party.

I'm afraid my crystal ball is not as good as some obviously have. They come on to threads and tell the LP what it should do with no asking of questions, no wondering if? They know all the answers and everyone should be told.

All I can see from that is the widening of the gaps between different groups and the near hatred that gets thrown by some.

I think we accept that the Unions/Momentum ...

I think it is fair to say that we agree ...

May I ask who this "we" is POGS?

GGMK3, A Totally unnecessary question/comment to POGs?

POGS in regard to your post @20:03 today, as i have already stated in this thread Momentum and the Trade Union involvement in the Parliamentary Labour Party is set in two arms of the same of the instance. Momentum was born out of the Unite Unions new Comunity Branches with were formed in 2010, while the trades unions have always held a presence in the Parliamentary Party by way of their industrial Branches.

In short, one arm has an industrial base founded in the presence of workplace activists, while the other arm is based in activists from the communities that surround industrial complexes and large trading estates.

Jon Lansman and Jeremy Corbyn became interested in the community based sector of the above and that attracted media attention to the grouping but in essence, they are both still part of the trades unions and the broader Labour movements presence in the Parliamentary Party, which on the industrial side has been over a very long period of time.

There has been a rise in trade union membership especially in the private sector due in all probability to their success in the courts against employers using Gig Economy terms of employment. That has been offset to some extent by a loss of membership in the public sector due to the councils reducing the size of their workforces due to austerity.

However, the above has given a great deal of new confidence to the Trade Union Movement which in part i feel had brought about the questioning of the relationship with the Parliamentary Party following this election and in some quarters the demand that the "plug should be pulled" on that relationship.

In regards to who will decide the outcome of the Leadership Election and the relationship between the Unions and the Parliamentary Party, that will be decided by the whole Labour movement with those who pay the political Levy in the Trades Unions being the largest single block.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 18-Dec-19 20:39:12
I think we accept that the Unions/Momentum ...

I think it is fair to say that we agree ...

May I ask who this "we" is POGS?
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You may. If you read the thread time line it is grandad and myself.

Grandad.

Certainly an interesting time.

Thank you POGS. I have been rather busy today and haven't yet caught up.

I know four people who have joined or re-joined the LP so they can vote in the next leadership election. These people want to do what they can to stop Long Bailey and Rayner becoming leader and deputy. I do hope that many of the other 20,000 plus who are recent members feel the same.

I live in one of those 'northern leave voting towns' that have suddenly become of interest. The fact our towns have been dying in front of us, with poor work opportunities, support services for all cut to the bone, increased crime, drugs wreaking havoc has gone unnoticed by the past nine years of tory government. Mr Johnson is now patronising us with his attention. Meanwhile, we have a LP in the middle of turmoil. If the leadership had listened to our MP's they would have not gone into this election with a Leader whose name was mentioned on the doorsteps at the same time, often before Brexit as a reason not to vote Labour.

Iam you now know 5 people who have re-joined the Labour
Party , well know 4 and know of 1 .

Just seen a clip pf JC leaving home to go to Westminster. He looked furious, refused to speak to the journalist and closed the door of the car quite aggressively.

So why is he hanging on as leader of the LP? Wouldn't it be better for him and his party is he resigned now?

The answer to your question is yes Smileless, but in all fairness the LP do need a leader whilst the process of electing another is done. I heard he doesn’t intend to resign till June, but I don’t know if that’s correct. If so, he would do his party a favour by going sooner.

He could stand down now and an interim leader take his place until a new leader is elected .

He will not, they are working to get Long Bailey as leader , she has the support of McClusky and the far left

Long Bailey sounds like a generous shot of a certain sickly alcoholic beverage.

Perhaps if she was interim leader we might all be in need of something more refreshing after the festivities.

Iam, the once proud and thriving Northern towns ( which are now almost fashionable ) are in a sad and sorry state.

People lying under coats at home all day because they can't heat their homes, children hungry ( yes really), food banks,discord, hopelessness.

Oh lets laugh at somebody's name. Oh the hilarity.

I too found it amusing ?

Wish Nicola Sturgeon was Labour. I'd love to see her destroy Boris during Prime Ministers Questions. Do you think they could just let her have a go?

She isn’t a member of Parliament so no

trisher I’d love to see that too!

Re the point raised re new members joining Labour and who/why that might be happening.

Is it correct the Labour NEC is looking to refuse the right of those who join /joined Labour ' after' the General Election have no voting right for the Labour Leadership?

Anybody know?

I am waiting to hear POGS

Thank you Anniebach.

POGS, there is a six month qualifying period of membership required before any person is entitled to vote in any Labour Party election. That I believe was brought in prior to the 2015 leadership election.

All the information I feel is in this link:-
www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/12/16/labour-leadership-election-who-can-vote-and-how-does-it-work.

My wife and myself are just off to attend an extraorinairy meeting of the Unite Union Branch we are members which is to discuss the future of the trade union/Labour Party conection.

Unless the NEC change the rules

He could stand down now and an interim leader take his place until a new leader is elected.

He will not, they are working to get Long-Bailey as leader, she has the support of McClusky and the far left

Why shouldn't they Annie, if that is what they believe to be right. You don't agree with their aims but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to hold those views just as you have a right to hold yours. Nothing is being hidden; it's all above board. If you disagree, rejoin and vote for the person you feel should be the leader. You and they - will always only have your vote, nothing more.