Tory minister calls for introduction of social care insurance

Granny 23. You should not put your home in the market to pay for your husbands care.

I do not know your circumstances however the limit is 23250 in savings for your husband. Therefore if you have a total savings between you of 50K the LA will take 25K and say you are over the top until that sum goes under the 23250. There is then a sliding scale of payment between 14K and 23250. Your husbands SRP, private pensions and any other income is taken into account to pay for the home including DLA if he is under 65/in receipt of or AA if over 65. If you are living in your joint home you DO NOT have to sell to fund. Please contact your LA adult social care scheme and ask for a FAB assessment.

I think it's a good idea. We all get home insurance/ pet insurance/life insurance /car insurance so why not ? At least it'll help cover the needs of those who go into nursing/residential care.
I would suppose there'd be certain levels depending on the care/needs so therefore increased premiums in line.?

Less worry for surviving families too. It should have been implemented years ago then perhaps many homes could have survived instead of being closed down through lack of funds. Also the scheme would release many of those who are taking up valuable hospital beds because there's nowhere for them to go.

Something's got to happen before long because in the next few years there are going to be many of us needing some sort of help/assistance, not necessarily in nursing/residential but in our own homes and the costs are quite heavy depending on the care and frequency of visits by carers.

Granny23 - I too am left holding the baby of trying to wade my way through an iniquitous system. My home is going on the market after Christmas to pay for OH's care. I love the way SSD use the designation "top-up" when I am paying 3x per week than they are!!

Hetty58 - deliberately low scoring on continuing health care assessments is definitely the name of the game - or worse still not telling people about the possibility of qualifying. I have appealed against a refusal and they are just playing delaying tactics in the hope that I will just give up.

Someone in government needs to grasp this painful nettle and seek to get a proper bill through parliament that sorts this mess out once and for all.

Have they no idea of the stress on already distressed relatives of this grim system?

There is not doubt in my mind that in the long term there does need to be a specific tax earmarked for this - but it will be too late for my OH to benefit from any new legislation - and for me.

It's painfully obvious that something has to be done - and very soon. I'd favour increased taxation to ensure a proper level of funding. This government won't do that, though. Where does that leave us, our friends, our children and grandchildren?

Jane10, it does impact on the NHS. Continuing care covers both medical and social care for the severely disabled. It is NHS funded because, at this level, specialist care is needed.

Many elderly people with complex needs (who a few decades ago would have certainly been in hospital) do qualify, but, due to funding limitations, are deliberately scored as 'low' in needs. They end up with standard carers instead of nursing care!

It's a national disgrace. Practically speaking, you require a specialist solicitor to obtain it:

www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/health-wellbeing/health-services/nhs-continuing-healthcare/

It’s a good idea. Also, to separate from NI so as to show where the funding goes to a different pot.

Every scheme has to start somewhere, similar to that in 1947.

How much social care each of us needs is always going to be a lottery, we have no idea how our health is going to be in later years.
Because so many don’t start earning until much later than previously, then have student loans and house purchase and pensions to eat up income, is it realistic to expect social care insurance to be possible for most. Or is it just being proposed as a stealth tax, in which case just increase NHS insurance.
The present system where if the family can’t or won’t provide care for the elderly, the House and Savings are used to pay the bills. When that is used up the state pays, of course if individuals wish to put money aside for care they can but it is still likely to be the house that is the main asset.

I agree with Jane10 a discussion which needs to start somewhere and soon. So many people are struggling.

My DH's new Tax Code arrived yesterday. He is currently self funding in a care home, paying nearly £800 per week in accommodation charges, while his 'Social Care' is funded by the Scottish Government to the tune of £177 per week.At this rate he, will be fully self funding for approx. a year, then part funded until his savings are exhausted when only his state pension and 50% pf his 2 small private pensions will go towards his care costs the rest being met by the LA.

Meanwhile he is still paying tax on his pensions and Savings interest- the State giveth and the State takes away. It is all very complicated and entails lots of effort for me as his POA to keep on top of it. Here in Scotland, we are in the process of integrating Health and Social Care services, which will, in time, alleviate the discrepancy, which currently sees those who suffer from Dementia (a terminal life shorting DISEASE) paying for the services they require, while those with other diseases are funded via the NHS. We have been unfortunate in that DH's needs have arisen in this transition period (which has caused massive confusion e.g. self funding Care Home residents in England, still receive their £88 per week attendance allowance but this is denied to Scottish residents because they are in receipt of Free Personal Care) but it should rationalise the system for the future.

I will watch with interest.

It’s certainly a debate that’s needed.
But Damian Green says “that under general taxation, those currently in their 30s, 40s and 50s will be paying both towards the care of the present older generation as well as towards their future care“

It must have escaped his notice that many people in their 60’s, 70’s and 80’s are still paying tax!

But we have national insurance. Why not I increase that so that it's universal?

Social care isn't NHS care. Something has to be done about longer term care of older people. This is a discussion starter. Other suggestions have been made. Obviously social care is expensive. There needs to be a huge increase in provision plus a better career structure, pay and conditions for potential carers.
I'll be interested to see how it goes.

Just before election Tory said no privatisation of our NHS