Dear Conservative Voters,

Okay Trisher

It was because the only people who read manifestos first hand were labour voters
It was because the only people who watched videos of party conference speaches in full were labour voters
Non labour voters get all their info from SM and the DM
Nobody other than labour voters work in or understand the NHS, Education, Social care, policing or defence.

Is that the answer youre fishing for?
Its not true but believe it if you like...

@smith6times

Does anyone have doubts about the validity of the General Election result?
Does anyone suspect foul play?
Does
@bbclaurak
and
@DominicRaab
's pre election comments about postal votes cause anyone concern?

Should there be an enquiry?

well, some don't appear to!!

Doing OK is not winning.

Yes, we all know that...duh!

But they were not fine.
They didn't do well enough to win in 2017 and they didn't learn from that last time.
They haven't won since 2005

If it is Jeremy Corbyn's fault, or Momentum's fault or indeed any of the Labour party's fault they lost this election can anyone explain why they did as well as they did in 2017? It might be Brexit, it might be Boris being seen on the TV so much, it might be the vitriol poured into people's ears by the MSM, but blaming one person or a group of people who were fine 2 years ago is a bit odd.

!

Madgran77
I am appalled at what you wrote regarding faces photo shots onto rats and pornographic photos etc. I did not know this happened. This is truly why I personally do not do Twatter, Insta or indeed Facebook it’s all just to self deprecating.

Jaunainswortb
If you have to work to live, you are most def working class. This middle class stuff was developed to keep the chattering classes going and thinking they are important. Blue collar, white collar is all very 60/70s too.

They had some good Labour MPs whom they alienated or who have now lost their seats.

The trouble with blaming the right-wing press, or the BBC, or even Jeremy Corbyn and Momentum for Labour’s worst election result for nearly 100 years, is that it allows the LP to see themselves as victims.

Instead they should be looking at societal changes particularly among that swathe of the north which changed from red to blue, and how they can meet the aspirations of those voters as well as supporting the vulnerable in society.

Wasn’t it John Prescott who said that we’re all middle class now?

If they choose Rebecca Long-Bailey to follow in Jeremy Corbyn’s footsteps I doubt whether Labour will ever be re-elected.

No, no, no, Momentum has to be kicked into touch too.

JC going wont change things if another Momentum figure head is perpelled into his shoes

Drill in respect? Don’t know, don’t they do that in the forces?

Young still need to volunteer though and this would have to be done through a type of conscription. Maybe then we will get people doing more useful work.

I agree Callistemon. Some good labour MP's have lost their seats and as you said Labour has lost long term supporters.

That may well be temporary; BJ acknowledges that the conservative party has been lent votes from disappointed labour supporters.

If labour wants those votes back the party needs to see the poison that's infected it and where that has come from. JC needs to go now; enough damage has been done already.

I haven't been a supporter of the labour party for several years but it still upsets me to see what it's become.

Oh, I think Labour will be in power again.

But a more modern Labour Party fit for the 21st century.

Let's not whitewash what is actually in the Conservative party just because it won. It is the party of Trump. It is the party of lack of care for the old, the poor, the disabled, the young.

It JUST happens to be the party of wealth and the media and can therefore buy an election.

I totally accept we're stuck with them. I don't think Labour will be in power again, probably EVER. But know your game FFS. Because otherwise, you're lying to yourself.

But that won't happen, because it's how you got your win.
If you read the thread love, you will see that I didn't win at all.

Even lost our leader

There has been a poison at the heart of the Labour Party for some years now

Are you having a laugh? After the sheer VITRIOL that has been hurled at JC and Labour? Calling him a terrorist, a commie and god knows what else?

Corbyn INSISTED on an honest and fair campaign. It's why the bloke lost.

The Murdoch press however, stopped to ridiculous levels, even photoshopping two left shoes onto Diane Abbott! The Islamophobia in the Tory party has NEVER been addressed. Let alone the all out racism.

If you REALLY want a civilized playing field, you're going to have to totally remove politics from the extreme-right media. But that won't happen, because it's how you got your win.

At the next match the hate Conservatives slogan could become 'kill Boris Johnson' or even 'kill Jeremy Corbyn', to be followed by 'hate all the jews' and pass gradually to truly disgusting racial chanting.

It is a slippery slope and we need to get back to some standards of decency in politics.

That kind of language has been used too often recently and even by politicians who should know better, eg talk of lynching a woman MP, assassination of another (already dead, but equally nasty).

There has been a poison at the heart of the Labour Party for some years now - it's not a small irrelevant extremist party or group, it is one of the main parties in British politics and has been for over a hundred years. It has lost its moral compass and many long-term supporters have recognised that. Now they have the opportunity to get it back on track, as the main opposition party holding this Government to account, and perhaps a government of the future.

I also hate that I have to walk to work in the rain, I hate arguments and I hate bananas...

Does not mean I am a hateful person lol!&

I was always told that the word hate was an extreme word, to be used very rarely and told to use the word dislike.

I dislike tripe.

Hate is destructive

Constructive alternatives: disappointment, disapproval, dismay, dislike of specifics

All of the latter are fine. Good even.
But "hate"
No.
I voted against hate.
Nothing good comes from hate.

Yes Madgran it's truly horrible and I'm still waiting for Trisher to explain why she thinks it's ok to 'express hate'.

Respect does have to be earned I agree, and we should lead by example.

Some of the treatment women MP's have been subjected too is disgraceful, as you've demonstrated in your post Madgran.

It's a shame we when see disrespect and worse sometimes, from posters here on GN.

Not good examples to set the younger generation.

14:05Starblaze
"Honestly, I've got a vision of ladies running around grasping their petticoats declaring "uncouth" and fainting into the begonias.

I am sure this is a joke Starblaze but I am really struggling to laugh.
Here are some direct examples of what women MPs have put up with

Ann Soubry, as a Conservative "go hang yourself slag!"

Luciana Bergerjust after leaving Labour - onto Twitter and in emails:
Images of her head being Photoshopped onto rats and pornographic photos, letters signed by self-declared supporters of her former party leader and delivered to her office by hand, warning that she would be raped, stabbed and covered in acid...this is her own description!!!

Jess Phillip's Labour:
Jess Phillip's today told how she has been left "frightened” after receiving death threats which told her to "be afraid".

If young people are angry/defensive, we're all to blame.