Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party

Agreed that EU immigrants have contributed hugely to our NHS and in many other areas. However, a population increase of 8 million people since 1997 is just too much for one small country. Housing, schools and hospitals are struggling to cope. Our roads are gridlocked. We can’t blame everything on old people. And we can’t keep solving our problems by bringing in more people, or where will it end?

One difference between Eu and non EU immigrants is that non-EU immigration has always been entirely controlled by UK govts.

Another difference is their net contribution to the NHS, which refutes to pro-brexit propaganda

Labaik - you are confusing right wing with the far right. Racists follow the far right groups who we (quite rightly) hear little or nothing about on mainstream media. However, lots of people are concerned about the numbers of people entering the country following Blair's open door immigration policy and it is unfair of you to accuse them of racism.

The people doesn't have a collective will.

I never disagreed with the fact that he has influenced the political landscape. It's just that he did it by tapping into the nastiest elements of society; racism, bigotry etc etc. Not something to be proud of imo….

To get back to the subject of this thread, I actually think that Farage has done what he set out to do and without getting a single seat! In the 2015 GE he got 3.8 million votes for UKIP and that clearly rattled the Tories who then gave us the referendum in 2016. Then we voted to leave. Farage tried to retire, but things went down the pan for the next three years while remainers fought against Brexit. So he had to come back to shake things up again. UKIP had fallen apart by then so he started the Brexit Party. Within just a few weeks they turned the country Brexit blue in the 2019 EU Elections, thus confirming that the country was still behind him. That rattled the Tories again and Boris realised he could win the 2019 general election by following the path Farage had shown him, and by delivering Brexit. It was so obvious that was what people wanted. Farage stepped down to allow him to do this and hey presto! We have the intended result and Brexit is back on track. Farage can celebrate without even having won a single seat. Hence the original post, stating that he has influenced the political landscape more than anyone else by forcing the Tories to submit to the will of the people.

Of the UK

Ahhh...but he’s going to get Brexit done. Forget all the other lies he’s told the Queen and the people and the UK - he’ll come good on Brexit. Allegedly.

Plenty of people trust him to run the country....... strange times

Even now, in spite of Ttump and Johnson, there is such a thing as the truth and most decent people can still recognise the truth. There are ways that facts can be checked and although we are all exposed to propaganda and fake news, some things are still obviously true.

When you see a politician who is a proven liar, you must question everything he says.

For instance, when Johnson was visiting a hospital and was spoken to by the parent of a sick child who questioned him about the NHS and said "you're just here for a photo-opportunity", he said "there's no press here" when he was standing right next to a press cameraman.

He lied. We could all see that. It is what he does. He is, like Trump, a habitual liar and none of us should ever trust either of them.

Who could work out the truth though?

What wall?

What greatness?

What buddy?

Perhaps they could team up for a lying competition, but it would not be that easy for them to tell more lies than Boris Johnson.

I like Trump. He is a decent honest chap. Melania is slim and beautiful. He has built a wall and he will make America great.

NF would be ideal as his buddy.

As far as I know I never 'spit bile' as you put it, I mostly remain quite factual. I have never made any vile and nasty comments about MPs like some people do. This thread like any other is meant to promote discussion. If people can't do that without throwing personal insults that is not my fault.

It looks like you're not a stranger to spitting bile yourself Chestnut starting a thread with the express purpose of causing division. Why would you do that

The boys I knew didn't sing it.
Probably much too polite.

It was rather rude.

Can I just add that you don't have to be a remainer or a 'leftie' to despise the man and what he stands for? I know many Tories, some of them Brexit supporters, and they loathe the man, perhaps because they are decent people who can see him for the charlatan and chancer that he is.

All comedians need a warm up man - Farage will be perfect for the job.

Out of interest, what has Farage actually done apart from create Brexit?
You haven't been paying attention have you? Many of his policies over the last few years were taken up by other parties because they could see it was what people wanted. This stopped him from getting votes but he has actually been influencing government policies for years.

I heard he was going to be Donald Trump’s warm up man !

Does Farage count as a political ( whatever one of those is)

I thought I had heard he is going to the US to help with Trump re-election and also to start another new party over in the UK, I admit I cannot remember what the party name to be used was.

He won’t go away.

Not sure about racism either, I think a lot of people get confused with that term.

To the point of lying to Queen and country?

Of course they don't.

Well doesn’t every political want to outwit the opposition ?

Of course they do.

Out of interest, what has Farage actually done apart from create Brexit? Even then, that wouldn't have succeeded had it not been for a combination of austerity cuts, Cummings, the ERG and a weak Labour Party; a sort of perfect storm. I do wonder what pleasure Cummings gets from his achievements; he isn't even a Conservative. He just seems to enjoy outwitting everyone.