Sensible discussion on Labour Leadership hopefuls

Manmar2 Quote [ What I find ridiculous grandad is that you can’t spell ridiculous ?] End Quote.

Manmar2 I can only apologies for not spelling "ridiculous" correctly in my above post. I have suffered from a
a mild form of dyslexia for my entire life, but my Grammarly software normally keeps such unintentional errors to a minimum when inputting text to my phone.

However, I would not have in any way offended a renowned member of the forum grammar police knowingly had I realised the error.

My deepest and sincerest apologies for the above. ✌

Oh dear Grandad1943 - the Labour Party were not very good at dealing with anti-Semitism were they? Their internal procedures did not work in that area? I have no faith in their internal processes. So bad that the EHRC is investigating them for their failings.

I have not recorded meetings but if I chose to I should be free to do so because the proceedings should be so immaculate there would be no problem.

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RubyLou I find your post rediculas. As I have stated there are numerous methods for any party member, affiliate member or MP to use to promote their views, perceived policies or grievances. In that, the Labour movement is possibly the most democratic of any organisation in Britain.

Therefore all within the movement should use that democracy and structure to the fullest effect in the course of their business within the Parliamentary Party or wider movement, for that is true democracy and fairness to other members of the movement.

Therefore RubyLou, I can only think that you support MPs who covertly record private meetings with others and then sell that recording to the right-wing press for personal monetary gain as that is to the advantage of the political right-wing body in British politics and no other reason.

Thornberry and Lewis have so far failed to get enough
nominations !

I can't answer your question, Laibak but voters obviously preferred Boris to Jeremy, decisiveness over prevarication about Brexit.

If Labour choose Long Bailey it means they have learned nothing from the past few years. Can they not see that so many people like me left because of Corbyn but are desperate to rejoin.

Oh dear Grandad1943, I find your thinking Stalinist. Rebecca Long Bailey is the continuation candidate. If she's the leader of the Labour Party, there will, in my view, be a continuation of unelectability. I won't vote for them and nor will millions of left leaning centrists like me.

Stalinist why? Because people must be allowed to go to the press if they wish without fear of deselection. I have no trust in the internal workings of the Labour Party and their useless internal disciplinary processes.

Rebecca L-B didn't help tackle or speak out against anti-Semitism did she? Or the mad Brexit position?

I profoundly hope that the Labour Party will make Keir Starmer the next leader. I would like a woman and I'd like someone from outside London but most of all I want someone clever, robust and likely to bring the wider party together. He's the only one I can see.

My first preference vote will still be placed adjacent to the name of Rebecca Long-Bailey should she gain the necessary nomination criteria to become a candidate. The foregoing is not because I believe that she is the most characteristic or outgoing of those standing, but because internally she is what the Parliamentary Party requires at this point in time.

Within the Labour movement, there are numerous ways that members can bring forward their views or even grievances. That can be carried out by way of the trade unions structures, other affiliate organisations, the constituency Labour parties, or even for MPs the National Executive Committee.

However, what we have all witnessed over the last four years is the Parliamentary Party totally divided upon itself with MPs not using the above structures to bring forward their views and grievances, but running to the media, and in that very often Britains extream right-wing press.

The above has to end if the Parliamentary Labour Party is ever to become a credible organisation again.

I believe that Rebecca Long-Bailey would be the Leader with the "guts" to bring the above situation to an end by acting in a direct and roofless manner against any MP be that he or she, on the left or right of the party, who acted in the above manner. In short, to immediately remove the whip, followed by deselection and then expulsion from the party.

If in five years time people genuinely wish to see an electable Labour Party for government the above has to be carried out.

Rebecca Long-Bailey would be, I believe, the person and leader to bring forward the above action, at least in the context of the next two to three years.

I don't mean in a technical way; I understand why he's not PM, obviously. I just basically don't understand morally why such a decent person is not leading this country when a self serving narcissist is.

Laibak
why - because Jeremy Corbyn did not step down sooner

If he had, if we had been in this position before the last election or even 2 years ago then you may not be asking why

Could Prince Harry take on the role...

GGMK3; it's mind boggling to watch that video of Starmer and then face the fact that Johnson is the PM of this country. One can only scratch one's head and ask 'why'?

Keir Starmer and Angela Raynor as leader and deputy would make a wonderfully 'odd couple'. I don't particularly like Raynor; I find her a bit 'gobby' but she really socked it to Farage the other day so she can't be all that bad. If Starmer does become leader I shall rejoin the party. But not if Long Bailey wins.

Good managers are usually good at delegating. IMO Starmer might lack the "charisma" of Johnson, but I think he would have the sense to put together a good shadow cabinet - and (again IMO) there are some able and talented people on the Labour backbenches, who could form a formidable team. I can't see any of the other hopefuls being able to do that.

You may be interested in watching this.

www.facebook.com/KeirStarmerLabour/videos/2780332582028669/

Keir Starmer is the best of the bunch, in fact the only real prospect of somebody who could make the LP electable again.
Hope he wins.

The interview I saw with Barry Gardiner Grandad had him actually saying he didn’t want to finally put himself forward until he had the numbers ( promises!)
I expect most people know how the numbers are ‘crunched’ with regards to names put forwards hoping to be the new leader, it seems to be repeated constantly on political programmes, but no doubt some GNers will not know and be pleased for it to be aired so thoroughly by you.?

Agree

I gree jura.
However I have seen him smile recently and what a difference! He did not seem so dour.

I thought Emily Thornberry has spoken a lot of common sense lately. I was never at all keen on her but I was rather more impressed recently

As I'm not a LP member I won't get a vote, of course, but I think it is important for us all because we will all have a vote at the next GE.

Keir Starmer is intelligent, experienced, calm, firm and so much more. Some will say not 'charismatic enough' - and I'd say that we have had enough bombastic in a few weeks to last us a lifetime.

www.facebook.com/JDADP/videos/471908803517616/

Back to the usual level of discussion I see. I would say childish but it's an insult to the children I know. Nicely balanced by the discussion and explanation of the myth of "union block votes" though. Thank you to those who added to the clarity on that. I sort of wavered between feeling aware it wasn't true but not having a clear explanation. I do feel we need informative news rather than propaganda but don't know where we can find it.

For anyone demonstrating interest in whether Barry Gardiner or any other Labour MP could become a candidate in the leadership election, all they have to achieve is the following.

To stand, candidates need to be nominated by at least 10% of the combined membership of the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) and European Parliamentary Labour Party (EPLP), meaning twenty-two MPs and MEPs at the present time. As a result, a maximum of nine candidates can stand.

They also have be nominated by at least 5% of Constituency Labour Parties (CLPs), meaning at least 33 CLPs, or at least three party affiliates that consist of at least 5% of affiliate members including at least two trades unions.

Therefore in the above, it should be straightforward, clear and obvious to even Tory party members and supporters that should Barry Gardiner wish to become candidate, all he has to do is clear the above criteria and he will be a candidate.

Simple as that, well to most of us anyway. ?

Terribly sorry lemon silly me thinking the comments re BG were utterly lacking in quality. Must do better. Naughty, naughty.

Does being sarcastic about other GNers use up much energy
suziew ??
Presumably only left wing Labour voters’ comments are valid or reasonable in quality.
What about those who vote for the Lib Dems or Conservatives who certainly don’t think of themselves as right wing.....are their comments of sufficient quality?Really, just wondering!