Damage done to the UK ALREADY following the elction

Disability and poverty don't rest.

Give it a rest ladies its Christmas Day.

Thank you for the links MadeInYorkshire. It wasn't my intention to call you a liar and for that I apologise.

What I should have said was the examples you gave were so outrageous that I found them hard to believe.

Well said Gracesgran.

GagJo, this was never going to go well. The Great British public in general would rather cut off their own arm than admit they were wrong

I'm afraid you are right Starblaze. There is a lot of fingers in ears and of la, la, la-ing on this thread. Absolutely no comment on what he has done. Let's not worry about the truth. As May would say, nothing has changed with these people lacking knowledge and almost abhorring its acquisition.

We ought to be knowledgeable. Democracy is in need of knowledge. The person lacking in knowledge is victim to those who pretend to be knowledgeable or pretend to be. ... We saw this in Plato. Lack of knowledge makes us such an ignorant mass, susceptible to the shimmering whip of the trainer. If we do not know we cannot know whether what is discussed is valid. *

This is all an obvious truth to those who have been educated to appreciate and understand the value of knowledge in our knowledge society. For those stuck in the industrial age, they seem to wear a lack of knowledge as a badge of honour and thus we get:

same old, same old from the same one, same one
All of the above points are fairytales.
definitely prefer Boris to President Xi!
Scaremongering and room and gloom!
For goodness sake stop the melodramatic catastrophising.
Will you be posting your daily anti-Boris thread tomorrow ...
Is the OP someone else with a new name - just wondering!

Not a single denier saying why the OP isn't true or giving more knowledge that limited the concerns about Johnson doing these things. It is all about denying that the new Emporer has no clothes. These posts are simply telling us that truth is wicked and knowledge is despised if it upsets these people or their strongly-held beliefs.

*The Art of Deliberating. Democracy, Deliberation and the Life Sciences between History and Theory
Authors: Boniolo, Giovanni

Yes indeed it was Xmas Even and if you had watched the new version of A Christmas Carol on BBC television you would have seen that Christmas is not superficial at all.

The Christ Child can fail to thrive if we don't pay attention to his needs.

Hentha, did you read the title of the thread before you came on it, did you not understand what the thread was about. So I suggest if you want a rest from all this as you put it I suggest you stop read political threads and go back to your knitting.

henetha and Jabberwok, WHY are you on here if you disapprove so much?

I accept we all have different political points of view. But as Labaik said, surely you have compassion for those affected by government decisions/changes?

Or do you not? There are 5 or 6 posters on these forums who come across as being totally selfish and lacking in compassion. Thankfully they are the extreme minority.

I don't understand how people end up that way. I'm a 'have' not a 'have not'. I'm THANKFUL for it. But it doesn't stop me caring about those who are less fortunate than me, doesn't stop me wanting to help, doesn't stop me being prepared to pay more tax / national insurance to support the vulnerable in our society.

For some people the 25th December is just another day in the calendar henetha. For some it's quite grim.

Amen to that hentha!

Good grief, can we not have a rest from all this today please!

Have some of you actually read what MaidinYorkshire has written or are you too busy sticking your head in the sand . You see links to what the government is doing, then have a first hand account saying how bad things actually are, and then you totally ignore her. Might some of you Johnson lovers have the decency to reply to her......

*Smileless2012
Can you substantiate the questions you posted that have been asked of claimants for disability benefits MadeInYorkshire?

Unless you can, I don't believe you.*

If you were to see the hundreds of pages on Facebook of people asking for help after they have had these assessments (73% of which are overturned at Tribunal - another huge waste of Taxpayers money, and why are they, because they are unfair!!) then you may well see that I am not lying and I resent you saying that I am!

A couple of articles, and there are thousands of them ....

www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/shocking-examples-assessor-questions-during-1214097

dpac.uk.net/2013/04/what-people-need-to-know-about-atos-assessments/

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/humiliated-blind-woman-asked-atos-4287595

How can stating facts, and supplying sources, be described as "scaremongering"?

As there are people still fixating on the supposed devil in human form, Corbyn, and who describe people who support him in the most derogatory way, why on earth shouldn't those who feel appalled about Johnson express their views and provide information which shows the reasons for their distrust of him?

It is ridiculous to suggest major issues like the crisis in housing, mental health care, addiction, etc etc can be solved by individuals taking on these responsibilities themselves. There has up until now been a degree of consensus as to how a progressive society and its politicians should operate but it seems now it is deemed legitimate to mount campaigns and make speeches designed to mislead, and give assurances that were never intended to be honoured.

We we vote for has nothing whatsoever todo with you feel about the vulnerable in society, its about compassion and attitude. I feel that todays society is all about me, me and me.

I might be being dim, but what's the difference between caring about the vulnerable and having compassion?

We we vote for has nothing whatsoever todo with you feel about the vulnerable in society, its about compassion and attitude. I feel that todays society is all about me, me and me.

The idea of a deserving and undeserving poor underpinned the workhouse system, and that of the parish relief that preceded it, and has no place in the fifth richest country in the world.

EXACTLY this.

Charity doesn't necessarily wear a coloured rosette depicting it's political allegiance.

This is true, or should be, but I have found a horrible trend on my local FB page (which can be really toxic, but still. . .) of people judging who is 'deserving' of charity. A couple of examples for the festive season:
A poster had bought coffee and a bacon roll for a homeless person in our small town. She took a photo of him (I can't do italics, but would like to emphasis this - took an actual photo) and put it on FB, with a virtue-signalling post about her generosity, which garnered a lot of 'UR marvellous, Hon' posts in reply. When it was pointed out that this was a bit sanctimonious of her, someone posted that the homeless guy had a criminal record, and the tide turned to how 'this was typical of the homeless' and 'people should save their money, as giving to the homeless would result in their spending it on drugs'.

Another candidate for sainthood posted that she had some second-hand toys that her children had outgrown, and she wanted them to go to a really needy family who might not otherwise get presents. Someone posted to ask for them for his daughters, and one reply was 'You are buying your house, so can afford to buy presents'. The OP came back with something to the effect that she wanted only really needy people to reply. Okaaay. So not only are you skint, but your children also have to suffer the humiliation of having their mum admit this on social media on a very public page that most people in this town read. That'll go down well at school, won't it? Merry Christmas, used toy-giver.

It's disturbing and worrying that both these threads have appeared since the election, and very few people have posted in disgust. Those who did were told that they were uncharitable, and must want to see the homeless starve, or reminded of the generosity of the 'givers' on the threads. The point was missed, quite spectacularly.

This has nothing to do with the political allegiance of anyone, but it certainly flies in the face of real charity, which should be done from the heart without the need to let everyone know about your generosity, which in the cases I quoted amounted to a fiver's worth of food, and a few second hand toys.

The idea of a deserving and undeserving poor underpinned the workhouse system, and that of the parish relief that preceded it, and has no place in the fifth richest country in the world. Is this really what people would like to see return?

Smileless let me first ak you have YOU ever had to do with making a disability claim for either for yourself or some else Have you ever had to appeal or attend a Tribunal?

To claim you fill out about a 12 page form and then on interview they will try to catch you out that you are lying. If you do some research yourself about PIP and the process, you might as I was able to do, get into an official site that gives information on how to conduct the interview. They stress that it must be done with respect and allow the claimant time to answer. It also states that they must ask in depth questions to find out if the any of the information is exaggerated, hence these questions. Some of the examples given might well be untrue but believe me they are in that format of stupidity and this I can tell you from experience but I am to tired to think of any at the moment.

Happy Christmas everyone! Nice to see you back MaizieD
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Can you substantiate the questions you posted that have been asked of claimants for disability benefits MadeInYorkshire?

Unless you can, I don't believe you.

I'm really glad to hear it Chewbacca.

My previous post was solely in response to Septimia comment implying that we were just keyboard warriors, not actually DOING anything to help the vulnerable and needy.

Perhaps the affairs of the UK should be decided by the British people who actually chose to live here.

Do you think it's only people who voted for Corbyn who have a social conscience GagaJo? Do you not think that those who voted for any of the other parties may also have regularly donated time, money, toys and food to charities, helped in food banks and the homeless soup kitchens. In my area, a rather affluent area in the NW think footballer belt that is strongly Conservative, there have been endless posts on our local Facebook page about collecting sleeping bags, toys, food, clothing, toiletries and sweets and chocolates for the homeless, refugees and women's refuges. They've been inundated with offers of help and items donated; far more than ever expected.

Charity doesn't necessarily wear a coloured rosette depicting it's political allegiance.

Given that I still work as a teacher in a state school and didn't finish until Friday, nothing practical. However, on average, I spend between £5 and £10 a week for food for the local foodbank and donate either money (I don't need nagging about what they may do with it, mind your own business) or food/drink to rough sleepers weekly.

Daughter has also donated toys to our local Refugee Organisation and also to our local Children's Society charity shop in time for Christmas.

In the past, we have worked for a local charity to serve and feed the homeless on Christmas Day, but won't for a while now because GC is very young.

I think you assume, Septimia that people who SAY they care just pay lip service. For socialists that isn't the case. We try to do our bit. Hard when I'm working a 60 hour week unfortunately. But given that the government is set on making life much harder for the poor/needy, those of us that do care have to try to do a little to fill the gap.