Damage done to the UK ALREADY following the elction

Poor youJenniferEccles the vitriol directed against you here is absolutely awful.

Seems to me all you’ve done (I’ve not waded through all the posts, just the recent ones) was to be a stay at home mum? My aunt who is now 76y did the same. Her husband earned (just) enough to make it a viable alternative. She returned to paid work as a hospital bed maker (probably called an auxiliary nurse nowadays) when her youngest child, my cousin, was 12y.

You made a choice. Others make different ones. Each to their own I say.
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Thank you for your support Jennifer. There are a lot of jealous people on here and a lot of people out there who think nothing of asking for more and more to be given to them as if it's their right. As I have already said I know that there are those with many problems through no fault of their own and the issue is not with them. Many seem incapable of understanding how outrageous it is to bring children into the world who they cannot afford to feed and clothe themselves. I hope the government will keep the benefit cap on 2 children

Add Jacob Rees-Mogg to the list of people with more than five children.

You have no right to dictate to anybody how they should live their lives. By your own admission, you haven't worked outside the home for years. I doubt if you have any idea at all about finding a job. I assume you're not going to claim a state pension, don't ever use the NHS, wouldn't dream of ever using any public service and don't use publicly funded roads. You obviously didn't claim any family allowance/child benefit.

I don't resent your lifestyle, but I am outraged that you have so little experience of life that you think you can judge other people's lifestyles.

The number of families with five or more children in the UK is miniscule - approximately 76,000 families had five or more children in January 2019 (including well-known "scroungers" such as Jamie Oliver and Gordon Ramsey). There are approximately 19 million households.

You cannot design a benefit system designed to "punish" the exceptions.

I was a stay at home mum yes, but the difference is I NEVER claimed benefits.

I didn’t work because we could afford for me to stay home and bring up the children.

That is the important difference as well you know.

Why so much resentment over my lifestyle when it cost the taxpayer nothing ?

I am sure everyone was perfectly well aware that Janpt was not referring to those who through no fault of their own fell on hard times, whether it be through illness or disability.

However some never miss an opportunity to deliberately mis read a post and come on here, all guns blazing.

I'm sure they could have asked you how to write an application letter and CV for a job in the modern workplace JenniferEccles. You obviously have so much experience of getting off your backside to earn a living.

You have nothing whatsoever to apologise for Janpt

Whenever anyone makes any comments on here about those obviously abusing the benefits system, there are always howls of outrage from some quarters.

I also read about the unemployed couple with 7 children complaining about how short of money they are.

They shamelessly appealed for money to pay for their children’s Christmas presents.

Neither parent works of course. The father reckons he’s depressed and stressed.

Yet still some wonder why Iain Duncan Smith was determined to force layabouts like him and his wife to get off their backsides and get a job.

So sorry. I did not expect my comments to be taken personally by those they did not apply to and certainly not to anyone in your situation. I will not post again. Please accept my sincere apologies.

Obviously there are many like yourselves who through no fault of their own have fallen on hard times. I was referring to those like the young couple with seven children living on benefits and expecting the state to provide who have made totally irresponsible life choices. Please do not take offence at my comments. I do recognize the differences.

Same here Janpt, husband, both working decided to have 2 children. Still both working and ok money wise. Daughter developed medical problems and husband couldn't cope so off he disappeared leaving me a freckless one parent family.

Small amount of savings was spent on moving and there I was living hand to mouth and boy was it hard. So don't EVER think it won't happen to you or your family.

Janpt

... of course it is, that's what the viewers want to see, no point seeing people like me that have hit hard times through no fault of their own - it's called PROPAGANDA!

So .... when myself and my husband were earning good money between us and decided to have a family at the age of around 30, we should have instead not bothered just in case at the age of 43 I would be struck down with a potentially curable illness that took 12 years and 18 operations to sort out, eventually leaving me far worse off than I was in the first place! Obviously I should have spent my money on a crystal ball instead!

The media, both newspapers and tv have their own agenda.

The right wing script highlights feckless scroungsrs with too many children, just as the brexit vox pops always came from leavers in a Labour constituency, never Remainers in a Tory constituency.

I agree Becket and although posts are allowed to be entirely comprised of old quotes/tweets/links instead of the thoughts of the poster, it does get tedious after a while.I just skip over them rather than read things from twitter/random bloggers etc.

Many people, including families, are just a couple of pay "cheques" away from destitution.

Because TV producers choose families which will attract audiences.

Obviously, but some people would not expect the government to provide for them and their families and hopefully would have been sensible enough to limit their families to what they could afford thereby limiting the risk of falling on hard times in the first place. Why is it that most of the so called poor people portrayed on t.v. have more than two children, smoke, drink have all the technology imaginable and what's more are constantly demanding larger council accommodation.

Janpt For heavens sake, now I must have had children I couldn't afford as well as being feckless for not having saved up 6 weeks or was it months worth of money just in case I might need the state to look after me ..... for some of us, it is NOT the case!!!!! I have had to use a foodbank and it was of the most humiliating yet humbling experiences of my life ....

What exactly might I have to look forward to in this wonderful new decade of ours I wonder?

Firstly at some point there will be an attempt by the DWP to reduce my entitlement when I transfer my Indefinite DLA to PIP - I have an indefinite award because of my poor health, which has got far worse since my initial claim but I will eat my hat if they do not try to remove at least some of it from me - I am several hundred pounds a month down financially since my daughter came to live with me due to severe MH issues anyway, but if I lose the one bit of independence I have left, my car, I will be totally isolated - not even able to see my GP as I live in a rural area, and I cannot walk even close to a bus stop.

If that all does go ok, I will then need to decide on how I/we are going to survive financially anyway as I am struggling and have been for years. I own 'most' of my own home but still have a mortgage which takes up over half of my monthly outgoings. The council have taken my help away because they want me to pay for it, but I cannot give them what I haven't got! I have proved it, but as my outgoings aren't all 'disability related' there is no disregard. Even down to the massive amounts I need to spend on sanitary wear isn't disregarded as I could get a 'nappy' off the NHS for free - well I could if I could get an appointment before March 2020! I have been asking the bank for some help for years now but get ignored because I am paying my mortgage. I pay that first as soon as the money comes in and then do without. If I stopped paying then I may get some assistance, even increasing my mortgage term would help a little. If I didn't have my own home, then I would have been housed with rent paid - I cannot really 'downsize' in my area, so it will need a move to a cheaper area - in which case I would need to leave my AC and GC and my small support network and go back to my roots - I do still have a few people left up there, but I will be even more lonely, likely with no help whatsoever and then, well what's the point? There is no point ....

Last night I sat at home alone, tired, fighting pain and nausea wondering what the hell happened to my life! Why has all this happened to me - what the hell did I do to deserve this crap, and where did all my friends go? My illnesses have stolen most of the enjoyment out of my life. I've lost so many friends because I'm either too ill now or too anxious to go out. Because I don't really 'do' anything anymore, I also have nothing much to talk about anyway. Both mental and chronic physical health steal all the nice things and can be so stressful especially this time of year. January is the worse month for depression.

So, in 5 years time after the wonderful BoJo has done his thing, will I even be here? If any of te above happens or gets worse, then I shall be shuffling off this mortal coil - it will be easy and painless and I will just go to sleep. I doubt anyone would really notice to be honest ....

So you lovely ladies (and some of you are and have kindly sent me messages of support) I wish you all a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year {wink}

The Independent is anything but. Makes the Guardian look like the Telegraph.

Today is a very sad day for us - after a wonderful time with DDs and grandchildren and friends - this is our last night in Great Britain in the EU.

Bored in the Hôtel - thought I'd catch up with GN- and I feel even sadder. The nastiness, the uncaring and totally lacking in empathy gloating and 'let's make friends' à la 'suck it up snowflake' - is very depressing and makes me ashamed of being on GN. Best log off again.

Fennel Allegedly it's preferable to having an EU army .

What an a horrible post from Janpt, seems to be a person without compassion or empathy for those in need. Just remember however much you think of yourself as being wonderful and doing well, you only a short step from being one of the needy. It could happen to one day.

Thanks MS, noted, but I'm still unconvinced.

It's not ideal, I'd hate to see your idea of scary, Tigertooth, if that lot isn't. You're clearly a much harder, tougher person than me.

What worries me most is that if we become more involved with the USA, in trade deals and other ways, will we be expected to provide armed forces to support them in their various fallingsout with other nations?
Especially the Middle East. See what's happened with US embassy in Iraq today.