Damage done to the UK ALREADY following the elction

Wish you would get a life and stop moaning, the choice has been made live with it!

More damage - Michael Howard wants the power of the judiciary curtailed. He thinks that the Supreme Court is biased and suggests that judges be appointed by the Lord Chancellor. Mind you, he does have a gripe since he fell foul of the courts on several occasions whilst he was a minister.

So, the tories want judges to be political appointments.

Bang goes the independent judiciary, a cornerstone of our constitution.

I suppose that judges making 'political' decisions is absolutely fine when they're on 'your' side. It's just not so acceptable if their decisions go against you. Bugger the Law...

What a sad pass we're coming to...

There's a great example of what will happen to anyone who dares stand up to this government and act to preserve our unwritten constitution. John Bercow the first speaker in 230 years not to be given an honour when he/she stepped down. Toe the line or we won't give you any sweeties!

Not for nothing is the system called the 'Just Us' (pun on justice) system. Get your crones in and you can do whatever you like.

Tell me again how we live in a democracy?

By having a free vote every few years to determine our government, which is more than they do in China!

I think Johnson had said he wanted to do this. So that tiny flicker of hope has been blown out. The first target of a Dictator is the judiciary. I thought there were three arms of our democracy, the legislative, the executive and the judicial.

If the executive is taking over the judicial how long before they turn the legislative into a puppet government?

Jabberwork, they have a free vote in Cambodia but everytime its the dictator Hun Sen and his family who get in. Once in he changes the rules to suit himself and keep his power. Going that way here.

When a party supported only by a minority of voters gains a huge majority of MPs they have the power to ignore the legislature as most if not all of those party members selected and elected will do as directed.

There will be no checks and balances, except to a very limited extent in the House of Lords.

We have no democracy if MPs are elected by First Past The Post - we have what one illustrious Tory MP called an "elected dictatorship".

I'm afraid you may well be right Varian. I wonder what or who those who voted for it will blame this time.

The ardent Remainers will be blamed for a long time as and when things start to go wrong plus the pesky John Bercow and the dreadful Supreme Court for thwarting the will of the people/ After all, they were undemocratic!

Cherylrov Wish you would get a life and stop moaning, the choice has been made live with it!

That’s just what people are doing, getting on, living with it and trying to make sure the govt follows through on election promises (hint? It isn’t)

For heaven’s sake Summerlove give them a chance!

The election was only just over two weeks ago you know.

Meanwhile Labour is poised to select another leader who, like Corbyn will follow the widely rejected Momentum agenda.

They haven’t learned have they?

The problem with having parliament elected by PR is that you have a perpetual hung parliament and nothing gets done, as we saw before the election. Or do we really want to be like Italy where PM lasts a year at best.
If a government is in power for 5 yrs it has a chance to improve the country, if they fail they can be replace by different ideas. In the UK having an inept opposition does not help at all

I agree Davidhs

Even though I was delighted that the Conservatives won so comprehensively, every government needs a viable opposition to keep it on it’s toes doesn’t it?

With Labour appearing to be stuck in the same faulty mindset I can’t see that happening.

For heaven’s sake Summerlove give them a chance!

This party has been in power for going on 10 years JenniferEccles. How long would you like us to give them? Are you suggest 20, 30, 50? Just how long before we see some actual progress out of the mess they got us in to.

The problem with having parliament elected by PR is that you have a perpetual hung parliament and nothing gets done, as we saw before the election.

Really? I don't see Germany, with a system of PR going through the mess we have had for nearly 10 years under FPTP. Your logic on that one seems perverse and contrary.

Coalitions work well in the Netherlands. They tend to keep the extremists in check.

Westminster’s voting system is bankrupt. It’s time for proportional representation

www.electoral-reform.org.uk/westminsters-voting-system-is-bankrupt-its-time-for-proportional-representation/

I agree GracesGran. Every single German government since 1949 has been a coalition and there have only been eight chancellors in that time.

Not only that Growstuff but didn't we have a hand in setting it up that way?

FPTP assumes that the entire electorate has a binary choice and think in binary terms. Which is absurd. There is a very wide diversity of thought across the electorate about what how they would like the country to be run and what priorities should be. These views are, on the whole, perfectly valid and need to be taken into account for citizens to feel that they truly participating in a democratic exercise. The days when the nation was an obedient fiefdom of one party or the other in a two party system should be long gone.

We surely must decide whether the country is to be run, as far as is possible, for the benefit of all its citizens, which means the compromises and reaching consensus inherent in a PR system, or for the benefit of just those who voted a particular party into power through FPTP.

Hans-Dietrich Genscher was the German Vice Chancellor and Foreign minister for 18 years, despite being a member of the FDP, which has never had a majority in Germany. Most people probably haven't heard of him, but he was the architect behind German reunification and did an enormous amount to maintain peace in central Europe. He served under Chancellors from different parties, but Germany's foreign policy benefited from consistency through him. He was only in government because Germany has a PR system. If it had FPTP his skills would never have been used.

Yes, we did GracesGran. Germany was keen to avoid the flaws in the pre-war system, which had enabled the Nazis to grab power, and the UK helped write the Basic Constitution, which became law in 1949.

Sadly, I can't see the UK adopting a PR system anytime soon because the two biggest parties will never support change.

Having said that, the current realignment in support for the traditional parties makes the future difficult to predict.

It wouldn't surprise me at all, if the public is offered some very different choices in five ort ten years.