Damage done to the UK ALREADY following the elction

JC may be trending on twitter (not in my time line though) but he did not win the election.

Outside the "London Bubble" the electorate did not trust him or his parties policies.

Boris Johnson and the Conservatives have been elected with a majority.

Grany are you another poster in disguise? You know, the poster who hasn't been seen on here since the election results? Just wondering ...........

Opal It's against GN rules to ask that kind of question.

… and the Manchester and Liverpool bubbles!

Boris Johnson and the Conservatives have been elected with a majority of parliamentary seats, but not the majority of those who voted.

growstuff he got a bigger vote share than Tony Blair when he was elected.

I see that you have adopted “The Americanism” We lost, but really we won

I understand that you don't think the general rules of debate and discussion should hold in your case, Beckett. On another thread, I pointed out the multiplicity of divisions in society. One of them was between those who believe we need as educated a country as possible and those who don't. In some articles you see the as the "have degrees" and the "don't have degrees" but I don't think it is as simple as that. I realise the divide between the have and don't have degrees affects economic progress for many of them but for those who do and don't want as highly educated a population as possible you can get a divide on simply what constitutes good manners.

You, it seems, fall on the don't want highly educated people or at least don't want the ways of the educated. I, and some others, see a difference between chat and debate. When I am chatting with my friends I accept that we will be making our own feelings felt. When we are debating something - not something I do with all my friends, they are not all interested and it would be rude and unkind to inflict it on them - we would recognise that it is actually bad manners to expect someone to accept our opinion, in a reasoned discussion, at face value. We are used to backing it with published views or highlighting peer-reviewed research.

So while you think how others behave is rude and arrogant for not accepting your opinion as a fact, others think how you behave is showing a rude and arrogant lack of respect by not giving some proof that what you say is a point of argument.

I do think some of the problems with this board are that it is called "News and politics". That seems to fall somewhere between chat - Is the Duke of Edinburgh okay? - and political debate. I don't have an answer but it may help to see the challange clearly.

No, not at all GrannyGravy. I'm just a bit pedantic about terminology. I know how the UK voting system works. The Conservatives weren't voted with a majority of votes, so I corrected the claim.

ladymuck
Time to call a halt and get some common sense back into politics. Trouble is, the decadent seem to be in the majority, so us sensible, rational ones have a battle on our hands.

Define common sense. As you put “lefties” down, does that mean only those on the right have common sense and are sensible?

What an odd thought

I think, after reading that Summerlove I would be asking ladymuck to define decadent and majority, sensible and rational too.

I am absolutely sure she thinks only those on the right are "sensible".

I'm truly baffled! The UK has had a Conservative government for 10 years. Apart from the years when Johnson was Mayor of London, he has only ever rebelled against the Conservative Party over leaving the EU.

Sooo … who's to blame for the allegedly non-common sense approach, if not the government which has been in power for the last ten years?

None of this bodes well.

By the way, I'm still waiting for some non-blustery examples of conciliation in Johnson's New Year speech?

Anything has got to be better than a Corbyn and his cronies led government. There would be no need for food banks if people did not have children they could not afford to feed and cloth themselves and expected the tax payer to do it for them.
People should learn to take pride in their own achievements instead of relying on the government to constantly provide for them .

Janpt

What? Has no one ever fallen on times with a conservative government?

Hard times

For those who want to preach to the rest of us, do you think Jesus would have been a Leaver or a Remainer?

Opal
The poster who goes by the user name of, Grany, was a member before WhiteWave stopped posting on 12th December 2019.

Wow - he's done all that already! Good to see he's been working so hard over the holiday season.
It's not ideal - But Corbyn would have been scary.

What worries me most is that if we become more involved with the USA, in trade deals and other ways, will we be expected to provide armed forces to support them in their various fallingsout with other nations?
Especially the Middle East. See what's happened with US embassy in Iraq today.

It's not ideal, I'd hate to see your idea of scary, Tigertooth, if that lot isn't. You're clearly a much harder, tougher person than me.

Thanks MS, noted, but I'm still unconvinced.

What an a horrible post from Janpt, seems to be a person without compassion or empathy for those in need. Just remember however much you think of yourself as being wonderful and doing well, you only a short step from being one of the needy. It could happen to one day.

Fennel Allegedly it's preferable to having an EU army .

Today is a very sad day for us - after a wonderful time with DDs and grandchildren and friends - this is our last night in Great Britain in the EU.

Bored in the Hôtel - thought I'd catch up with GN- and I feel even sadder. The nastiness, the uncaring and totally lacking in empathy gloating and 'let's make friends' à la 'suck it up snowflake' - is very depressing and makes me ashamed of being on GN. Best log off again.

The Independent is anything but. Makes the Guardian look like the Telegraph.

Janpt For heavens sake, now I must have had children I couldn't afford as well as being feckless for not having saved up 6 weeks or was it months worth of money just in case I might need the state to look after me ..... for some of us, it is NOT the case!!!!! I have had to use a foodbank and it was of the most humiliating yet humbling experiences of my life ....

What exactly might I have to look forward to in this wonderful new decade of ours I wonder?

Firstly at some point there will be an attempt by the DWP to reduce my entitlement when I transfer my Indefinite DLA to PIP - I have an indefinite award because of my poor health, which has got far worse since my initial claim but I will eat my hat if they do not try to remove at least some of it from me - I am several hundred pounds a month down financially since my daughter came to live with me due to severe MH issues anyway, but if I lose the one bit of independence I have left, my car, I will be totally isolated - not even able to see my GP as I live in a rural area, and I cannot walk even close to a bus stop.

If that all does go ok, I will then need to decide on how I/we are going to survive financially anyway as I am struggling and have been for years. I own 'most' of my own home but still have a mortgage which takes up over half of my monthly outgoings. The council have taken my help away because they want me to pay for it, but I cannot give them what I haven't got! I have proved it, but as my outgoings aren't all 'disability related' there is no disregard. Even down to the massive amounts I need to spend on sanitary wear isn't disregarded as I could get a 'nappy' off the NHS for free - well I could if I could get an appointment before March 2020! I have been asking the bank for some help for years now but get ignored because I am paying my mortgage. I pay that first as soon as the money comes in and then do without. If I stopped paying then I may get some assistance, even increasing my mortgage term would help a little. If I didn't have my own home, then I would have been housed with rent paid - I cannot really 'downsize' in my area, so it will need a move to a cheaper area - in which case I would need to leave my AC and GC and my small support network and go back to my roots - I do still have a few people left up there, but I will be even more lonely, likely with no help whatsoever and then, well what's the point? There is no point ....

Last night I sat at home alone, tired, fighting pain and nausea wondering what the hell happened to my life! Why has all this happened to me - what the hell did I do to deserve this crap, and where did all my friends go? My illnesses have stolen most of the enjoyment out of my life. I've lost so many friends because I'm either too ill now or too anxious to go out. Because I don't really 'do' anything anymore, I also have nothing much to talk about anyway. Both mental and chronic physical health steal all the nice things and can be so stressful especially this time of year. January is the worse month for depression.

So, in 5 years time after the wonderful BoJo has done his thing, will I even be here? If any of te above happens or gets worse, then I shall be shuffling off this mortal coil - it will be easy and painless and I will just go to sleep. I doubt anyone would really notice to be honest ....

So you lovely ladies (and some of you are and have kindly sent me messages of support) I wish you all a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year {wink}