Well done Lawrence Fox!

Yes, but a white person is not in position to tell a black person how they feel about the comments made (which was the context here),and more than a black person could tell a white one how to feel about comments made to the Irish.

I have just listened to it. Lawrence Fox was the victim of a racist attack, it’s not accepted as racist because he is white .

LF a victim? God give me strength.

Yes, he was a victim of racism. No doubt.

Why is it acceptable to say ‘you are white’ but not acceptable to say ‘ you are black ‘. ? If discussing racism

Frankly, I thought that Lawrence Fox was an arrogant arse. He was sneering, looked bored most of the time, and came across as a really unpleasant person. It would be lovely to think that racism isn't behind the persecution of Meghan Markle, but it is very hard to deny that certain of the tabloid press have taken against her. As to the woman in the audience, I was unaware of her background, but fail to see how this disqualifies her from being there. QT certainly seems to be picking some controversial audience members lately, remember that silly man who was bawling and shouting a the Labour MP, telling him that his information that earning more than £80k put a person in the 5% group was completely wrong, despite the information being provided by HMRC?

Why is it acceptable to say ‘you are white’ but not acceptable to say ‘ you are black ‘. ? If discussing racism
I don't understand this question. Either is acceptable, if true.

Agreed, GillT57.

Poor Lawrence Fox, what do you suppose the effects of this "racist abuse" will have on him? Will he be subjected to stop and search? Will he be in danger of the newpapers vilifying him? Or will his white, male, ex -public school mates who run the establishment and more and more of our arts and entertainment industries take care of him?

He was brilliant I thought. He seem to turn into bit of a 'wild child' following his divorce from Billie Piper. I'm glad he seems to be back on track.

I was told in a lecture at least twenty-five years ago that a white person cannot be discriminated against, only someone from a black or ethnic minority.

LF most certainly was the victim of a racist attack.

I wonder why certain people get stopped and searched. According to Trevor Phillips it’s because the people who are stopped are the ones most likely to be carrying weapons. The stats back that up.

I did not see the show in question with Lawrence Fox and right or wrong once again it is bringing us back again to the question of racism. Perhaps the H & M saga has brought all this up and if we are led to believe as how can we be totally certain that Meghan has said that the Royal family have been racist to her and if so I would like to know what has been said.
I believe Harry is sensitive to Meghans cultural roots and he is completely aware that he is now different to other members of the Royal family he is out on a limb because he now has a biracial marriage/family to work on and it is not the same as two people of same backgrounds but he can succeed in his marriage and contrary to everything said he is in love and what do they always say LOVE IS BLIND and I not going to admit my mistakes on GN but it's true love is blind. Somehow I hope they can work it out.

As for racism I have read from many posts on this thread that some of you are saying that you do think differently when addressing your black neighbours and quoting Dinahmo she had been wondering if she was being racist when walking down her road and she was unsure if she should say Hello to mixed race black teenagers. I perhaps wonder if she felt intimidated. I myself say Hello to anyone be it white, mixed race or black it does not bother me I do not see colour I see people.
Also KatyK your posts are so true as I am from Irish immigrant parents although as young children we were fortunate enough that we had no racial abuse targeted to us probably as my mothers family were so large and always stuck close together. Once I got a bit older I heard about the signs that were put in properties saying No Irish No blacks No Dogs it did not bother me too much that just showed the height of ignorance. I did not like it when in a queue somewhere and somebody would be condemning the dirty Irish for something or the other my blood would boil and even though I had been born on British soil and was British
I would hate some of those dirty full blooded English in that moment.
So this is getting long so just to point out about racism look what Martin Luther King tried to do to help the cause but in a peaceful way he was shot for all his good intentions.
One thing that still haunts me in this country is the murder of Stephen Lawrence by White supremist youths that thought they had the right to take that 18 year old boys life from him, such shame the way the police force handled that murder although praise to them because they finally locked up those scum. I hold his mother Baroness Doreen Lawrence in high esteem she has suffered the loss of her son but battled on she is a strong black woman she probably has contempt for some white people all I can say is she should never have had her son taken from her and God Bless her. sorry for the rant and going off piste.

I think maddy that in terms of being a victim of a racist attack, SL might be more of an example than LF. Hyperbole or what?

The murder of Stephen Lawrence most certainly was racist and in common with all murders, it was a terrible event.

Is LF white? -yes Is LF privileged? -yes. So where is the abuse? Was he harmed or injured by what was said?

LF was criticised/disagreed with not attacked - get a sense of proportion

I don't know much about Fox but I agree with how he spoke and the woman who referred to his white colour is a racist Anyone who refers to a persons colour, black, brown, yellow or white and uses to it make a point or decision based on their colour is racist.

Its always been ok for people of colour to use the race card but god help you if you are white and use it. Megan is a prime example.

Lawrence Fox went to public school, he is from a middle class
family ,if it was a man with a dai cap and a terrier ,speaking with an accent all would be above criticism.

Glad there are a few on here that understand structural racism.

It is not for anyone white to define what a person of colour defines as racism. Just as it is not for a man to define what a woman defines as sexism, or a heterosexual person to define what is homophobia.

These systems of oppression are incredibly nuanced and complex. The lines of discussion are opened by a willingness to listen to the oppressed/minority person and closed down when the member of the dominant group speaks over them. As Lawrence Fox did.

But there are quite a few members of this site who are not interested in opening discussion/listening to minority viewpoints and instead force their own privileged agenda. Not for nothing is it called white privilege.

Thanks Trisher! So much more succinct than me!

He went to Harrow. Fees almost £14000 per term. Plus a £3000 deposit. How many middle class people can afford that?

I will say that there are substantial numbers of white boys who are suffering massively and underacheiving dramatically in schools now. But that's nothing to do with racism it is to do with deprivation and poverty something LF knows nowt about.

As I see there is quite a bit of inaccuracy in posters recollection of the exchange, I thought it helpful to see the transcript:

Full exchange: Rachel Boyle v Laurence Fox

Rachel Boyle: 'The problem we've got with this is that Meghan has agreed to be Harry's wife and then the Press have torn her to pieces. Let's be really clear about what this is – let's call it by its name, it's racism, she's a black woman and she has been torn to pieces.'

Laurence Fox: 'It's not racism, you can't just...'

RB: 'She has been torn to pieces.'

LF: 'It's not racism.'

RB: 'It absolutely is.'

LF: 'No it's not, we're the most tolerant, lovely country in Europe.'

RB: 'Says a white privileged man.'

LF: 'It's not racism.

RB: 'Says a white privileged man.'

LF: 'Oh God. It's so easy to throw the charge of racism at everybody and it's really starting to get boring.

RB: 'What worries me about your comment is you are a white privileged male who has no experience in this.

LF: 'I can't help what I am, I was born like this, it's an immutable characteristic, so to call me a white privileged male is to be racist - you're being racist.'

Trisher fan club here.

Definitely. Cultural standards and expectations too. If you get caught reading you're a wimp or pathetic. Much better to engage in macho banter and be loud around (unimpressed) girls.