Well done Lawrence Fox!

I don't think I have said anything about LF's language so don't understand why the accusation of double standards can apply. It is as always on GN an attempt to raise an inaccurate irrelevance when the truth starts to pinch a bit. As far as I'm concerned he can use what language he likes. I didn't realise the term effing and blinding was still in use. The blinding is interesting, it refers to "blimey" an expression most would consider fairly innocuous today, but which my grandmother explained to me was blasphemous as it was a request to god to blind you.
Of course other women have been denigrated by the press. Misogyny and racism are closely aligned. They are both practised by white men who dominate MSM. No one has said it was only racism involved.

tickingbird Indeed!

Gagajo Talking about his boorish foul language. I didn’t hear him effing and blinding. Trisher was using this language and even contemplating using the C word. Such double standards. It really is quite funny ? ??

You are spot on Jabberwok but some people cannot see the truth from their distorted view from the moral high ground.
How do they explain all the press criticism aimed at the other female members of the RF in the past? Camilla and Fergie especially, although Kate was also vilified at one point. Was their skin colour the cause then? I don't think so. So please explain what the difference is between them being roasted in the press and MM.

No, not at all, I am just pointing out that he was correct when he said that racism from the general public and newspapers did not drive out the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Sure I understand that there were awful things said on twitter etc, as I don't read any of it, I don't really know. As Shami Chakrabarti said , ' don't belong to these horrible sites , then you won't read it' sensible advice! But from the rest of us,nothing but goodwill was offered in shed loads to these two and I for one resent being told otherwise!

Oh Jabberwork are you jumping on the bandwagon of Lawrence Fox? or do you mean spot on for being a bigoted t,.,t?

People astound me.

Apart from his comments about the Sikh soldier for which he has apologised, L.F was spot on! MM was not driven out of this country by racist comments in the national press. The fact is that the vast majority of the people and the media welcomed this woman with open arms, nearly all of us were so very pleased that P.H had found someone whom he could be happy with and make his future home and life with. Those cheering crowds were genuine and we all wished them every good fortune. No one made any detrimental comments about her race, not even alluded to it, and to say differently is just rubbish. How sad and disappointing the outcome has been whatever the reasons maybe, but purely racism it absolutely is NOT!

I know this racism argument is going to rage on and on the thing is it amazes me that on GN there is page upon page only about L.F. and what happened.

Can I say that I have got persons of colour in my direct family only actually person of colour is not a phrase I ever use I prefer multicultural family however I never even really think multicultural to me family is family and I have no gripes with society and even white people speculating on the ifs buts whys and wherefores of a multicultural family unit.
For me it's been over forty years with "family" and I refuse to put on any labels from any side of the fence as to how myself and family live our lives when you have multiracial in your family sometimes you don't even think about it as there are bigger priorities everyday just living the same as everyone else.
I think that racism is being stirred up a bit but it will calm down again as usual and I can concentrate just on life once more.

I feel sad about the racism they are talking about in football at the moment there is no need for the chanting to the black players. Football however has always been a violent pastime for the ones that like that lifestyle it has gone on for years so even if they have stamped out the violence that opposing fans had outside the match gates it has now been replaced by racism after all small minded people need something or someone to take their aggression out on.
I expect to get comments but I have lived with a difference in my family (call it colour if you must) we are just a family.

History is written about dead, white men. A very basic concept introduced to history students at university on probably the first day, never mind the first term.

Publishing traditionally (literature) is of dead, white men.

The few women or ethnically diverse people that sneak through are the very cream of their crop. NOT to say that there weren't millions of others worthy but who have been written out.

As a country, our institutions are racist. The police, education, the media. The NHS hopefully less so (please correct me if I'm wrong), because it is held up by non British (every doctor that saved me from cancer, 5 of them was NOT British) medical staff .

LF is racist. Have you BEEN on his Twitter feed? Not to mention all round offensive. And I say that as a person who is used to anger and aggression (teacher in a UK school until recently).

He may have had a shred of a point, but the MINUTE he uttered his over privileged, white, middle class, wealthy opinion in that offensive manner, shouting someone down on national TV, he negated his argument.

Clear, rational debate is persuasive. Not some boor of a bloke, who uses foul language as at least half of his vocabulary.

tickingbird I don't 'want to see racism' I simply know it exists. I know our history and culture was built on it and unless we question our motives for criticism every time then we effecively maintain that culture. And I worry because I see now the legitimisation of discrimination and hate being used and harnessed by a right wing government. If I ever have doubts about what is happening I only have to read the posts about tokenism on GN.
Jabberwok I think LF is unaware of an awful lot.

Troops from all over the then Empire fought in both world wars as they did for other countries, the French in particular, who also had colonies, it wasn't just the British! These troops had their own regiments especially in WW1, but were often seconded to other regiments for various operational reasons. My grandfather was in the Ox & Bucks L.I, in 1915, but seconded to another regiment in 1918 and posted to Dublin and from there decommissioned in early 1919. L.F was perhaps unaware of these arrangements which included all troops and all ranks.

Of course people like Trisher will always see racism everywhere because that’s what you want to see. I don’t think anyone on thus thread has denied there is racism in this country but some of us don’t believe that every time someone of colour is the subject of criticism it’s down to racism.

And let's all those who choose not to recognise the racist element off the hook. The woman on QT was right.There is racism in this country and some of the MSM pander to it because they know that the majority of their readership have some racist views. Until people choose to condemn that they are effectively enabling racism to continue. "Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.” John Stuart Mill

That sums it all up very well, Doodle

I agree doodle, and yes it is a irrefutable fact, that some groups of 'being different' have been targetted for Centuries.

Thank you chewy. ?

Doodle that is the best, most sensible and erudite post I've seen on this thread so far. Amid all the accusations and counter accusations; faux outrage and insults hurled about which newspaper is read; your post is honest, factual and by far the most considerate.

Yes jura he could have said that and equally Rachel Boyle could have said something different but she didn’t. She implied quite strongly that racism was the whole problem.
If I thought it was the whole problem I would say so but I can’t help feeling that some of it is to do with the fact that Megan is an independent woman who had a good career and was used to making her own mind up about what she did and when. I can imagine that coming to a different country and being the centre of attention for a while then being advised/told that you can’t do this or that or behave in this or that way because you are a member of the royal family would be a very difficult situation for her. I know that there was an element of racism in the news coverage. There are a number of racist people in this country who write, post, say dreadful and awful things about others because of their colour, creed, religion views etc but I do think a vast number of people here were happy for Harry to have found love and married someone who cared for him.
I am really sorry it has come to this with them leaving to live in Canada because, although I am sure it will make Megan happy I am not sure it will be the same for Harry.
We do have racist people in this country just like there is racism in every corner of the world. Wherever there are people there will be someone looking out to put someone down or belittle them. You don’t have to have a different colour skin or be born in a certain part of the world to be subjected to cruelty or bullying, you just have to be seen to be a bit different by some and that’s all it needs for some to subject others to unkindness.

Well he could have said that- explained what he meant. He did not and his response was rude and OTT- and provoked a strong reaction from someone who has much experience of what it feels like, personally and through family and friends.

suziewoozie LF didn’t trash the idea that there wasn’t any racism in the coverage of MM.
Rachel Boyle said let’s call it what it is it’s racism and he said no it’s not.
She did not say racism has something to do with it and he didn’t say racism has nothing to do with it. She implied it was only racism and he said not it isn’t. Which is not the same as saying racism has nothing to do with it.

trisher ''It is dreadful jura2 but reading the comments under it is hilarious. I advise anyone to turn the volume down and just read. It's a great laugh.''

oh my, thanks. Glad they all agree. I heard Cohen at the IofW almost 50 years ago - and fell in love with his music. LF is just so so dreadful- anyone compairing him to Cohen must be tone deaf

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Not at all, just stating the truth as you see it.

Ooohhh you are in a strop Chestnut

But you're always 100% right sooziewoozie. And as you keep telling us we are all sooooo stupid and ignorant if we disagree!