What will the UK look like with the new change in economics?

Erroneous? Check it out for yourself lemongrove! How dare you call me a liar! You really are a very rude person.

Yes thanks Grandad43 for the facts on Amazon working practices, to offset the erroneous info posted by growstuff.
I use Amazon frequently, and why not, they are providing employment as well as a very convenient shopping experience.

Thanks, Grandad.

That's the reason why I have refused to buy anything from Amazon for several years now. There's very little that can't be bought elsewhere...

Anyway, looking 10-20 years ahead is a mugs game.

I made no mention of 10 or 20 years Monica. The next few will be interesting and from there whatever you want to talk about. No one is twisting your arm.

Apologies I posted the wrong link above. This is the correct one from February 2019.

www.businessinsider.com/amazon-employees-describe-peak-2019-2

growstuff in regard to your posts @01:36 and 01:44 today, employees that work in Amazon Distribution Centres (especially Pickers) walk on average 15 to 20 miles per eight to ten-hour shift. The below link demonstrates that fact comprehensively and was posted by an undercover journalist working in one of the centres in July 2019.

Robots have very much not taken over the picking in those centres and will not be doing so for the foreseeable future.

I also have not compared the work in an Amazon Distribution Centre with that which is carried out in a Supermarket Distribution Centre in my above posts as they are entirely different operations. I only spoke on the rates of pay in the centres.

Link to current Amazon working conditions can be found here:-
nypost.com/2019/07/13/inside-the-hellish-workday-of-an-amazon-warehouse-employee/

UK still manufactures "High End" extremely sort after cars, Aston Martin and Bentley.

Also the entirely hand made Morgan.

I think we should go back to being a manufacturing as opposed to a service industry country. This would create jobs, get people off the dole and generate the economy. We then wouldn't have the problem of shops having to close and town centres dying. Can't see that happening unfortunately.

We should be encouraging the high-end engineering, pharmaceutical, renewable and tech industries etc we're good at - and where we definitely have an edge. I doubt very much whether the UK will ever return to the days of huge factories and employing millions of people in manufacturing. I don't think young people in the future will be able to leave school without any qualifications and find employment in the local factory.

Monica Italy and Japan are not low wage countries. I think you’ll find many manufacturing companies in those countries are subsidised by their respective governments. If you’d said China and India you may have been more accurate. As conditions in those low wage countries improve, prices for their manufactured goods will rise, they will have us over a barrel as we will have lost the skills and infrastructure to make anything ourselves. So rather than accept the status quo surely we should as a nation encourage home grown manufacture and be prepared to support it.

People do need to think about the future of the economy. The British are quite famous for short-termism, which is why we have some of the problems we do today.

Politicians need to think about long term investment in the right places and on the right infrastructure. They also need to think about future pensions and the relationship of the individual and the state. They need to think about the environment and how people will be housed.

Unions have a duty to stand up for their members, but not to behave like Luddites. There is no point protecting the unsustainable.

Education planners need to know what kind of future they're preparing young people to face.

etc etc etc

Some of us won't be around in 10, 20 or 30 years, but our children and grandchildren will be.

Grandad I live in a small town with limited job opportunities. Tesco is one of the biggest employers and I know people who have worked there for decades. It's not well paid, but it's quite varied because people are moved around amongst the departments and tills. There is also interaction with other humans, which most people enjoy and need. It just doesn't compare with working in a "fulfilment centre".

Companies such as Amazon and Sports Direct quite deliberately build warehouses in areas of high unemployment and low opportunities.

To be fair Maizie that article was written in 2013, presumably before the robots were introduced. These days, there isn't much walking. People stand in the same place, the robots bring the goods to them and they put them in a box, which is then whizzed off to a packer … over and over and over and over again. Apparently, the repetitive nature of the work is a strain on the back. Imagine doing that from leaving school until pension age at ???.

Good heavens, MOnica. I've better things to do than read the junior royals threads. I don't find them (the royals or the threads) in the least bit interesting.

But politics is about life and the way it's mediated. To dismiss people who find it interesting as 'junkies' is very sad, IMO.

With regard to 'Fulfillment Centres' has anyone ever read what it is like to work in one? I'm sure that the population of redundant retail workers is really looking forward to a life of servitude in neo Victorian conditions...

www.businessinsider.com/i-spent-a-week-working-at-an-amazon-warehouse-and-it-is-hard-physical-work-2013-12?r=US&IR=T

MaizieYou will find my (few) posts on the junior royals are equally patronising, I didn't realise you read them.

Oh, and the sentence you quote is only one sentence in a much longer post. Glad you only objected to that one sentence.

help keep the political post junkies in training
Oh that's good ? ???

I suspect this is a thread to help keep the political post junkies, in training now the election is over.

Well! Patronising or what...?

At least it's more interesting than the doings of the junior Royals...

Just lie down in a darkened room and take a nice rest, you will soon feel better.

Good grief M0nica for once I 100% agree with you.

The world must be changing. ?

Manufacturing has moved offshore because it is cheaper to do it in other countries. The only way to bring it back to the UK, will be to pay the kind of wages paid in the countries where things are now made, together with their long hours and atrocious working conditions. Is that what people want?

Why look in a shop window wishing you could afford a British made washing machine when the Italians and Japanese are selling one at a price you can afford?

Anyway, looking 10-20 years ahead is a mugs game. In 1900 could WW1 have been foreseen in the form it took? Ditto 1920 and WW2. In 1959 did we see the radical change to the economy following the election of a Conservative government in 1979, in 1988 did we foresee the 2008 financial crisis?

Look back at forecasts for life now made in the past. where are the flying cars, food pills, ultra-modern completely run by AI houses, let alone the space age clothes?

I suspect this is a thread to help keep the political post junkies, in training now the election is over.

growstuff in regard to your post @21:02 today, if you read my above post(s) I have stated that the rates of pay are on commencement of employment

I will, however, state again that those who are prepared to work unsocial hours and at weekends receive far higher rates of pay after a qualifying period with the company.

Amazon are "hard employers" to work for and have a high turnover of staff, but that I feel is not down to the wages and salaries that can be earned while working in any of their distribution centres.

The same also would be true of the large supermarket companies, but those centres are not always directly operated by the supermarkets themselves.

Below is a link to Amazon offering part time warehouse workers on a morning shift an immediate ten pounds per hour at their Avonmouth Distibuion Centre.

I believe the all the leading supermarket Companies are also offering similar rates of pay at their distribution centres in the Severnside area.

Link to employment offer:-
g.co/kgs/AVCQtp

They're not very high wages! They're nowhere near what you were claiming.

In any case, Amazon and other warehouses aren't mopping up anywhere near all the retail redundancies and aren't necessarily located in the right places.

growstuff below is a link to the starting salaries that Amazon are offering to new employees at the present time.

The pickers I described above are referred to as fulfillment Associates in the link. Employees who are prepared to work unsocial hours and at weekends are paid far higher wages and salaries after an eight week starting employment asssement period. In the south east of England a London weighting allowance is also added to the below in certain instances

Link can be accessed here.
www.indeed.co.uk/cmp/Amazon.com/salaries