INDEPENDENCE DAY!

You could set many people's minds at rest by letting us read the articles Jura questions but you are - perhaps too high and mighty in your day of what feels like a win to you? - to do so

Stop this GGMk3 you seem determined to be intransigent here.

I’m sorry really I am but I don’t have the time or the inclination to trawl the Internet for Jura. She worries so on behalf of those who are upset about the result. She can look up articles herself if she chooses. I cannot recall which ones I read anyhow. It was almost 4y ago! And no, that’s not ‘convenient for me’ before you accuse it so.

Thank you GG13. Try as I might I just can’t locate the GN rules that state that certain (obviously long term) members must ‘own the site’, dominating opinion as well as defending each other against all and any criticism.

But to make comments verging on the racist without knowing anything about the circumstances of the poster they are trying to marginalise is not very wise in a new poster.

It might have been better to find out the full story before telling jura to butt out because she's 'not one of us'

ExperiencedNotOld. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on an open forum whether you are a new or an old poster.

That last comment was in answer to*Ginny42*.

Why not? Because the clique have made it very obvious that as a newish girl I’ve no right to form my own opinion. And that opinion is that her posts are all self-serving.

jura2 you may continue to make demands for facts and figures ( ridiculous as it is) but equally posters may feel free to ignore them ( the only sensible course.)

Some posters cannot accept having a post deleted!

You are clearly not familiar with Jura's nationality and very long term links with the UK ENO. Best not to criticise based on the grounds of her current residency.

Just had it from the horse's mouth. Saying some members sound mental is okay. Suggesting people are high on Brexit and using 'cocaine' in the sentence is not.

I'll see you all later when I have got over this lack of logic. Busy day ahead.

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Does it not seem crazy to be in a position of saying, no one really knows what's going to happen but that we must 'wait and see', when we were doing very well as a significant partner in the largest trading bloc in the world? We knew exactly where we were.

Why plunge thousands of people into the unknown with a 'wait and see what happens'? Of course people are going to panic if they believe medical supplies are going to be unavailable, or the ones which are available are different and cause problems for the patient.

I'm still trying to work out what 'getting behind it to make it work' actually means for individuals and families. It's all in the hands of Messrs Johnson and Cummings, big business and of course the billionaires seeking to avoid scrutiny of their taxes under new EU rules. Never has the term 'laughing all the way to the bank' had greater significance.

That is cheap and easy. I am not asking for reams of published expert advice on the whole Brexit thing- but on a very specific subject- the effect on access to medicines and isotopes.

So it should not take too long, really. You could make an effort- or you really should not make statements you can't back up. Especially not a a parents of a child with a severe condition that could be severely affected by a change in medication, or even worse, not having access.

Come on- you make the statement, it is only fair to ask you to back it up. Or we will have to come to our own conclusions...

And yes, it is offensive to tell someone to 'suck it up snowflake' - even if your say it in different words- the result is the same. But don't, really don't - ask us to rally round- we won't.

Okay, I can appreciate sweetness and light isn’t going to heal these wounds or worries. But continued bile and vitriol isn’t going to either.

We are already in the realms of you not wanting to help the process though, UG. You could set many people's minds at rest by letting us read the articles Jura questions but you are - perhaps too high and mighty in your day of what feels like a win to you? - to do so. I hope not but I am sure you do see you are adding to the challenges we face not helping them improve.

Think you have a Stalker Lemongrove

Who would have the time? (or any inclination!)

I still just meet every remark I find offensive with an at least equally offensive one. I realised, long ago, that some people have no idea how offensive they are being.

They are of the mindset that "everyone", with the possible limit of "with common sense", "who is patriotic", "who isn't a communist", "who doesn't like having to prove their opinion has at least some truth in it" (delete or add where applicable) "thinks like me". This seems to make them feel they have carte blanche to say things they would not normally say to strangers.

You must be exhausted Jura being angry on behalf of so many people.

I’m not going to Google alternative expert opinions that I referenced pre referendum. Sorry. It’s time consuming, you could do it yourself if you were so minded and besides, it’s not going to change jack now is it?

It really is time to wait. And yes, hope. It’s all any of us can do now it’s here.

I get that it’s hard. Some of you didn’t get the result you wanted. But it was a binary choice ergo someone loses. Harsh but that’s the reality.

Let some water flow under this bridge before getting aerated eh?

So, in short - I do have to ask you to back up your statement with fact and published expert opinion on this matter. Please.

GGMk3 I didn’t find your reference to cocaine offensive, actually it made me laugh!

It was meant to UG. Still there are some numpties on all sides of all discussions it seems.

Talk about 'aggressive denial of the reality here.

Wait and see - how does someone with cancer or another severe illness 'wait and see' ... wait and see if all the expert advice comes true, or by miracle does not quite...

Urmstongran '' I read about the pharma worries at the time of the referendum. I just chose to believe different expert opinion on the matter.''

I'm afraid you can't get away with making this sort of statement without backing it up. Many of us here could quickly find many articles with professional advice on the effect Brexit will have on the UK acquiring necessary, essential drugs and as well as isotopes for cancer treatment, etc.

So I do have to ask you to back up your statement with fact and published expert opinion on this matter. Please.

The experts were all unanimous in their concerns re drugs and isotopes- but you chose to ignore them for your own agenda. Now you have a gran here truly concerned about medication for her GS- with a condition where a change may well result in a disaster- and all you and others can say is 'fingers crossed- need to be kinder to each other- need to pull together' ...

And yes, it is exhausting to be angry all the time- but not as exhausting than for those who will be so directly affected as those with loved ones whose medical treatment is on the line. I can assure you.

I’m sorry my banality offends you so much MaizieD. Do you have any better suggestions?

I don’t think it’s banal to want things to work out the best they can. You don’t know that they won’t either! There are a lot of mights, maybes, coulds around at present.

I agree, pulling together (especially if you have great concerns) sounds trite. But I honestly think aggressive denial of the new situation is worse for you and in general.

Perhaps something halfway would work for now? A ‘wait and watch’ approach without prophesies of gloom. After all, it might yet end up better than you fear.

Urmstongran hardly worth trying to be conciliatory is it?
Never mind, there will be others than MaizieD who do appreciate it.

Actually, Ug, the banality, of which you happen to be a prime exponent, though you're not the only one, is far far worse.

let’s ALL hope that Boris and his negotiating team deliver...

It's like being at a flaming pantomime. 'Now come along children, if you ALL say 'I believe in fairies' Tinkerbell Johnson will become a completely reformed character'

In your dreams, Ug. In your dreams...

Morning all.

MaizieD I imagine the insults are worse than the banality?

GGMk3 I didn’t find your reference to cocaine offensive, actually it made me laugh! I didn’t ask for your post to be removed. I assume GNHQ moderated it themselves?

Dolly your last sentence made me giggle!

Okay, I can appreciate sweetness and light isn’t going to heal these wounds or worries. But continued bile and vitriol isn’t going to either.

I suppose time (the great healer) needs to pass and as actions speak louder than words, let’s ALL hope that Boris and his negotiating team deliver the goods - literally, in the case of Pharma. There is a lot at stake.

Think you have a Stalker Lemongrove

Happy Independence Day ?? ?