Let's have a common sense party please!

A white woman's shirt
A black woman's jumper
A green child's coat
A blue man's pullover.

As seen in advertisements

suzie ridiculous to want understanding of his condition rather than angst about the words used to refer to his condition? Or my wondering how you ascertain how people wish to be referred to? I don't see how you can know for each individual without asking, and then to my mind, that makes the descriptor the most important aspect of the person. All I'm saying is it's easy to get it wrong these days, even when no insult or hurt is intended.

This putting adjective before noun bit autistic child/child with autism, is a classic example of pc being daft.

In normal grammatical English we put the adjective before the noun 'The tall man',' the blonde woman', 'the busy child'. If we were French the general rule would be the opposite. Different countries have different rules.

Once you start getting your knickers in a twist over the ordinary use of language, far from making these various groups feel more normal by putting the person first, we make them look odd because we are changing the normal rules of grammar especially from them, so it istantly draws attention to their condition.

This post is written by a short-sighted dyspraxic woman.

Oh she’s in there along with Father Christmas Callistemon ????

In all shades too so no one can complain but apparently gender fluid people need their own one ?

Yes it’s definitely 5 ‘o’clock somewhere !

Is it wine o'clock?

What's happened to Mother Christmas then NanaandGrampy?

Read not ‘reD’- sorry ! ?

I think the world has finally fallen into the pit of madness when I reD about the new emoticons for 2020 and one is a gender neutral.....Father Christmas !

This for me is an example of ridiculous , everyone must be equal thinking . The clue is in the name !

I agree with the concept of your post Sparkling .

The LF issue is about ‘white privilege’ which isn’t the same as being a privileged white man. In the first phrase, white describes the type of privilege, in the second phrase, ‘privileged’ is used as one of the adjectives describing a man, the other being white. It’s totally different meanings

Don’t be so bloody ridiculous jan.

Oh, I read that on another thread suziewoozie

Lawrence Fox is apparently a privileged white male

I apologise if that is wrong, but I was trying to learn from one of the posters who seems to know better than me about this on GN.

You didn't pull her up about it so I presumed it was the correct term to use.

So suzie do you approach any individual you're meeting for the first time with "how do you like to be referred to" because all you'd get from my grandson would be his name. His parents have enough worries dealing with his autism not to give a flying fig whether you refer to him as autistic or having autism, being on the autistic spectrum or neurodiverse. They'd prefer some actual understanding of his behavioural issues to discussions on semantics.

You could just ask friends or co workers I suppose.

Common sense and politics seem to be mutually exclusive. Still, at least we can think whatever we want to - as long as we're silent!

Thanks growstuff I am hopeless at links.

Call that’s just silly ‘woman of whiteness’. This discussion is too serious for infantile comments like that. And I think you’re using privileged incorrectly there. Did you mean to say’white privilege’ because that’s a different issue.

Yes, janipat people probably read my posts and think 'what is she referring to'

Well they can tell us what we can't say but they can't tell us what to think. We can still have opinions, just keep them to ourselves.

Callistemon I guessed that, us slow typers get a bit out of sync some times

jan as I said, some terms there is universal agreement are unacceptable , others there are variations which seem to be in wide use. The general rule for me is what people in that specific ‘community’ feel is acceptable. Even if they don’t all agree, it’s easy to find the parameters within which discussion can take place.

I was answering vegansrock but typing slowly

* oops random is there, sorry.

Oh, well, who knew!

I didn't so thank you.
Am I a woman of whiteness?
My SiL being a woman of colour

So referring to someone as a 'privileged white man' is an intended racist insult then.

But the problem is suziewoozie who defines what is acceptable? And how frequently does it change. If you were to refer to my "autistic grandson" I would not assume you were being offensive. However there is a school of thought that says person first descriptor second, so it should be my "grandson with autism", to fit in with the "person of colour" etc We don't at present use that every time though do we? When did you hear or see anyone described as a "person without hearing" or "a person without sight" To add to the minefield it's acceptable for people of colour to use the N word? Either it's offensive or it's not. If we start having different rules for people of different ethnicities is that not in itself is racist?
vegansrock posted while I was slowly typing but I'll let my post stand anyway.