How will we measure the success of Brexit?

France is just next door to us and you will probably find English speakers there.

This becomes more appalling by the post and again you have no perception. I am quite sure, you still don't see it.

In countries that people from England move to for work, they will often gather together in communities to make it less necessary to learn the language and absorb the culture. Why is it so unreasonable when the same happens in reverse?

The note was treated by police as a racially motivated hate incident btw. That means it is not acceptable.

I worked in Japan and certainly do not speak fluent Japanese. Had I stayed there a long time I might have. If I had English speaking family or kids while living there I would have spoken English to them. When I saw my English speaking friends while
I lived there we spoke English.

Defending that note is horrific.

Chestnut, yes, you have got it. What JE said would be seen by many an extremely unpleasant. You think it's okay to point out other people's comments that you feel are unpleasant but don't see, or it seems care, that others find a comment like JE's "extremely unpleasant".

It is generally accepted that people living here should learn to speak English in order to work and contribute.

You may not believe this but I have never thought this to be "generally accepted" a phrase which seems to carry as much stick as carrot.

If I moved permanently to a country where most people didn't speak English then I would most certainly want to become fluent in their language.

But how many do?

We won’t, the next Generation will .

France is just next door to us and you will probably find English speakers there. I'm talking about a more distant country where practically no-one speaks English. You would want to get familiar with their language. That also applies to people coming here because most of us don't speak their language.
Greta: there are many who may not exactly refuse but won't bother.

Chesnut, sorry to ask but why is France a bad example?

I know many foreign nationals. I have yet to meet one who has refused to learn English. I don't know if this is a big problem. In my experience many people who have learnt English as a second language have a better command of it than many native Brits.

I can't for the life of me see that JenniferEccles has said anything 'rude' or that she thinks like a child and needs to grow up. ? What very unpleasant things to say.
It is generally accepted that people living here should learn to speak English in order to work and contribute. They don't need to speak it in their own home unless they want to, but it might help them become more fluent if they spoke it as much as possible. If I moved permanently to a country where most people didn't speak English then I would most certainly want to become fluent in their language. France is not a good example.

I certainly saw your post as intolerant, jennifereccles.

But don't you see JE, that the others might just see your comments as "rude" too? Presumably not.

You are extremely rude MaizieD which tells me everything I need to know about you.

JE, on one thread you make excuses for Johnson's lies I think what he was saying was ... on the Speech thread and now you think it's okay to put up notices up to say everyone should speak English.

I despair, quite honestly. To me, these comments are wrong on so many levels but you obviously think they are okay. We are such a divided society and I can't see it changing.

jennifereccles if you lived in France would you speak French all the time, even at home with your family?

Oh, do grow up, JE. You think like a child.

What on earth is wrong with expecting those who want to live here to learn our language?

How would they be able to work, fit in and contribute to society if they refuse ?

As for crossing out the European twinned name, well that’s ridiculous.

As is putting notices on the doors of blocks of flats saying that after 31st Jan 2020 the residents must all speak English...

Blanking out a twinned town is just ignorant

I was sad to see that someone had blanked out the name of a town their town was twinned with in France. It happened on January 31st, and seems such a silly thing to do. Town twinning started after the Second World War to promote healing and friendship amongst nations. Perhaps, now that we are going to be so insular, we should twin Brexit-voting places with Remain voting towns.

Parcels of meat and veg from the farm shops?

What an elegant solution

All those car workers out of a job can deliver parcels.

Chestnut I was describing populism, not leaving the EU. It is a fact that populism tends to incorporate more ideas which are generally considered to be right-wing. Nevertheless, it's not that simple. Both Nazism and Mussolini's Fascism included ideas which could be considered socialist.

I disagree with you totally about "Remainers". From my perspective, "Leavers" are parochial and regressive.

Quite a big "minority" I would guess Monica

MaizieD my previous email answered your question before you asked it 1) markets 2) online.

I fully appreciate that not everybody knows or cares enough abut where there food comes from and for a minority, price will be everything.

But for those who are aware of the subject, there are opportunities to buy British meat. It will be more expensive, but, I found, even before it became recommended policy that I preferred eating less but better meat over cheaper and more.

Our DD orders from a Northern farm shop ( meat deliveries by post) wonderful meat and not expensive.I think that this will become more common, especially for those who like their weekly shop delivered to them.