Deported to Jamaica before Windrush report

Parents with leave to remain and older children with automatic citizenship did not get told in advance that they needed to natralise before having more children here!

One of the big issues with Windrush is that there is now a tighter burden of proof.

The parents werent told "yes you are a citizen but you ^must get and keep up an uptodate passport at all times to prove it in the future.

If the parents had leave to remain or you cannot provide proof of their citizenship (common if they never renued passports etc) and you were born after 1983 you may not be automatically a citizen unlike your older siblings

Born in the UK between 1 January 1983 and 1 October 2000
Whether you’re a British citizen depends on where your parents were from and their circumstances. There are different rules if, when you were born:

at least one of your parents was a British or Irish citizen
at least one of your parents was a citizen of an EU or EEA country
neither of your parents was a British, Irish, EU or EEA citizen

Born in the UK or a British colony before 1 January 1983
You’re usually automatically a British citizen if you were born in the UK.

notanan2

www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality/british-citizenship

If your parents were not British, Irish, EU or EEA citizens when you were born
You’re automatically a British citizen if when you were born at least one of your parents was living in the UK and had any of the following:

indefinite leave to remain (ILR)
right to re-admission
right of abode
If the parent that meets these conditions is your father and you were born before 1 July 2006, he must have been married to your mother when you were born.

If they were born here they are British citizen and could not be deported.

That is not the case if they were born after the early 80s or if they and their parents werent aware than the promised automatic rights had to be backed up with applying for documents.

The goal posts changed without people realising.

One sibling can be british, another born later in the 80s may not realise they arent british

notanan2
^ A lot are children and grandchildren of windrush. People who may never have even visited Jamaica^
If they were born here they are British citizen and could not be deported.
If they were born in the West Indies before 1973 and the joined their parents later. They cannot be deported.

If they, or their parents came to UK after1973 they are not entitled to automatic citizenship and therefore if they have never applied for it the can be deported if they are either here illegally or have committed serious or repeat crimes. These people must fall into this category.

and so what? Oops like British and black. weave you tiny minds round that.

A lot are children and grandchildren of windrush

People who may never have even visited Jamaica

The windrush Generation arrived in UK 1948 and had freedom of movement throughout the commonwealth
The West Indies gained Independence from UK in 1962,
Due to ever increasing levels of commonwealth immigration to UK, The 1962 Immigration act was proposed to place some restrictions on Commonwealth immigration with the exception of children (under 16) joining parents already settled.
In 1973 the immigration Act came into force.
Those already present and settled in the UK when the Act came into force on 1 January 1973 – i.e. those without any restriction on their leave – were automatically entitled to stay indefinitely in the UK (section 1(2)).

The Windrush children, with no restriction on their leave to enter or remain courtesy of section 2(2)(b) Commonwealth Immigrants Act 1962, were automatically entitled to settled status at that time.

It would be interesting to know the ages of these people who are to be deported, and what has Windrush to do with their deportation. These people would have had to have been born outside UK before 1973 to get automatic citizenship when they arrived. If they were born here then of course they are UK citizens. If neither applies, what is the issue with deportation?

Yes, if they hold a British passport.
Do you not understand Windrush?
These are people that SHOULD be entitled to citizenship.

Let's be clear why these people are being sent now, it's because when the Windrush report is published it will most likely say that anyone brought here by their parents who settled as immigrants is now entitled to British citizenship. It is an attempt to pre-empt that report and nothing else. And the Home secretary and the Prime Minister have lied about the people involved.

Campaigners seeking to stop the deportation of 50 people to Jamaica on the 6:30am flight out in the morning have lost their High Court challenge.

Well if you want to follow the Chinese model of justice there’s no point discussing.

should Jamaica deport all of THEIR criminals to here

Yes, if they hold a British passport.

White people too - I think it's if you commit a crime you get deported

Cool. And should Jamaica deport all of THEIR criminals to here in return?

According to BBC news:

Ms Patel said every person on the flight had been convicted of a "serious offence and received a custodial sentence of 12 months or more".

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Try that in China?

White people too - I think it's if you commit a crime you get deported

One young man has a conviction for robbery 10 years ago, no convictions since. He now has a job, wife and children. He has been here since aged 5. Another had their conviction quashed but is now still threatened with deportation. I’m not sure why anyone would think this was just.

So brown people get a MUCH harsher punishment for crimes that would just be a short jail term if youre white.

That's it in a nutshell.

Is this government hellbent on creating reasons for dissent?

Good luck with your flawed logic and criminal rights in the rest of the world