Deported to Jamaica before Windrush report

Greymar great suggestions but we know they won't happen under this government.
To all those posting about how good parenting can stop children getting into criminality, it can't. I have seen lovely families devastated by a child who manages to make the wrong choices and mix with the wrong people. However what more cash and education can get you is bettter legal representation and therefore less likelyhood of a prison sentence for a first offence. You can then use your cash to move away from the bad influences. Unfortunately if you are poor you've had it.

I would love some suggestions on how to stop the dysfunctional cycle.

Here are a few;feed children properly, engage them in education without a results driven focus, engage parents and target those who are struggling,have a well rescourced and accessible youth service, listen to the people on the ground who actually know what they are talking about.

ananimous Jamaica may be a beautiful country but it has a very high crime rate, particularly with drug related crime Sending them more criminals just doesn't seem fair.

3nanny6 apology accepted. It was a misunderstanding on both our parts, I think

I'm no expert either and often we don't know what our teenagers get up to - some of the tales I have heard 20 years on have made me shudder but often from the chances they took and in fact the way they took on bullies which could have got them into trouble from the bullies.
It must be difficult to be a single parent with four boys but often a father is more able to exert some discipline with boys than a single mother.

It is just a pity that this father didn't follow his son's care through for the years from 16 to his deportation now at 23. I'm not sure about him making a good life in Jamaica unless he has other family there.

3nanny6

Which is why the dysfunctional cycle must be interrupted.

Incidentally, Jamaica is not the backward country being portrayed by the media - it is a beautiful country, with wonderful warm people, and a new start there filled with possibilities. I think a person could blossom there.

I think that many young people are the product of poor parenting, children will be left with parents that themselves have their own challenging behaviours such as alcoholism or drug taking these children can be left fending for themselves to survive. These parents relinquish all responsibility simply because they do not have the right frame of mind to cope with it.

Many of these children go on to become socially inadequate
to live within the society that most of us adhere to.
There are many cases of A.D.H.D in these adolescent children and not all of them are diagnosed, many of the symptoms of A.D.H.D. are risk taking, courting dangerous escapades, unaware of putting themselves in danger and many more.
The prison population of young offenders has many cases of mental health issues amongst inmates and that is nowhere to send an adolescent in need of specialist mental health care.

I think it's all too easy to relinquish responsibility.

There are plenty of excuses and zero accountability.

How do these law abiding children appear, one wonders?

Good parenting is something to aspire to and poor upbringing cannot be the stock excuse for those wishing to be reckless around law abiding folk.

I do not condemn anyone for being the result of failed parenting, but seek only to agree that there has to be a limit to rule breaking from any and all visitors.

There is a great deal of research to show that the unfused adolescent brain is primed for dangerous, selfish, risk taking.

It is too damn easy to sit there and condemn this young man and his family.

I think we can all agree that some parenting will inevitably lead to a dangerous, selfish, risk taking nature in adulthood.

Whether or not every country should abolish citizenship will have to run on and on...

It is, however, surprisingly easy to raise children to adulthood fully respectful of the law of the land - regardless of the threat of prison/deportation.

I was an older parent and a professional person in a stable marriage. I made loads of mistakes. My son got into trouble. It was exhausting. He hasn't got a record but was very close.

Callistemon an apology is offered and I may have sounded rude.
I will never think I am an expert in the immigration laws or parents that have trouble in dealing with their own children if I was an expert I would not have had to work so hard with my own when they were younger and believe me I had one son and I needed eyes in the back of my head keeping up with him when he got to his teens. I think it is the boys that can go off the rails much more than the girls if not parented with plenty of discipline.

So apology sent for any rudeness.

3nanny6, I know the USA won’t accept people with criminal records, I’m not sure about people who have been deported. I assume the authorities in the USA are trying to protect their own population from criminals, given that they have a large criminal population in the USA as I understand it. I was trying, perhaps not very well, to illustrate that other countries refuse to accept people with criminal records.

There is absolutely no need to be so rude 3nanny

You say you hadn't heard of Chevon Brown before this thread but are suddenly an expert.
Those parents of other wayward youngsters do not all just abandon them then blame others.

do you need it spelt out to you?

I feel sorry for that particular young man, his mother in America, his father abandoned him and can see why he went off the rails. It doesn't happen to all of course.

Just to Maddyone, I think you said he has a mother in the U.S.A so perhaps he could go and live with her.

I do not know if this is correct but if Chevon Brown has a criminal record then the U.S.A. will not allow him to go there, also there maybe rules about deportees going to U.SA. I am not sure but easily looked up on google.

3nanny6

Of course the parents are blaming the government, who else would they blame?
Or perhaps they could have a look at their own parenting over the years.

Greymar, I think we all made mistakes as young people and as young parents. Nonetheless, I didn’t end up with a criminal record, nor did my children. That’s not because we weren’t caught, it’s because we didn’t do things that were illegal. I’m afraid if people break the law, they must accept the consequences. Having said that I didn’t think anyone was deported for a driving offence. It was of course an extremely serious driving offence, to drive at 100 miles per hour, through a residential area, without insurance, and without a license, is extremely serious, and shows a complete disregard for the lives of others. Thankfully it appears that he didn’t kill anyone, but that appears to be more luck than judgement.

Callistemon,

I in all truth do not know much about that young man as I have already said. His father did bring him here to try and look after him and for whatever reason could not keep him in control. I already said that he will not be the first or last parent not able to control the lifestyle of his son.
What indeed do you think we are seeing on the streets of London and other areas? we are seeing young black males killing and murdering each other on a regular basis I cannot remember the last count but it was high. What are all those parents saying? they too are saying they cannot cope with what is happening on their doorsteps and they blame government for the closure of all youth facilities etc budget cuts and lack of funding do you want anymore spelt out for you?

No-one's arguing that point 3nanny6

They are questioning a father who, by even his own admission, had not bothered to see his son for years saying he couldn't deal with his behaviour, but now blames others for his son's crime and deportation.

He has a mother in the USA, perhaps he could go to live with her.
No lack of empathy for him, I agree with Callistemon.

But you are not blaming everyone else Greymar.

It was a year ago and I wonder what has happened to the young man since then; he should probably have been given a chance to turn his life round here - if his family here was willing to help.

I can think of many times when my parenting was less than ideal. Also many times when I did stupid and foolhardy things as a young person.

By sending Chevron Brown back into Jamaica apparently to give him a fresh start and turn his life around is just absurd.

Jamaica to get away from drug dealers? it's worse over there than it is here, his family he has are in U.K. so no support of close family no work no money.
The country is living in poverty and last year some areas even had complete shutdowns by Jamaican police because of the huge rise in violence and gun crime.

3nanny6 I don't think we are showing a lack of empathy for Chevon Brown, rather we, at least I, question why his father should try to absolve himself of all responsibility for his son. I also question why he went into care age 16 (which may not have been compulsory at that age) and why now the father blames anyone but himself. Why has he not been there for his son for the last 7 years?

It definitely isn’t is it growstuff, but Chevron Brown wasn’t found guilty of anything to do with drugs, I understand it was dangerous driving he was convicted of.

Jamaica isn't really the ideal place to get away from drug dealers, especially if you have no job or close family.