Deported to Jamaica before Windrush report

This fresh new start could help them to turn their life around, and get them away if it is a "bad crowd/drug dealers" influencing them.

Bad parenting seems to underly these cases, but society has to be prepared to set boundaries where parenting fails.

Hetty58 your post on Feb.20 18.22 ; you included my name in a message and stated that Jamaicans coming into the country carrying drugs cannot make up for any geographic region of the prison population;

I think on looking back that in my post I was in fact answering someone else who complained that it was white boys who are failing most in school. My answer in regard of white males and black males in prison referred to British born black males and I state again that the statistics of black and white males within the prison system is almost the same in number. I made no reference to"Jamaican" black males carrying drugs into the country, that was your own assumption and it seems that some posters on here want to get back to the old stereo-type of the Jamaican drugs mule.

In regard of Chevon Browns case I have never heard of him until this coverage of the charter flights, I think GN posters are being insensitive to completely blame his father for everything. It was his son and that is why he tried to do his best by bringing him out of Jamaica, it's not easy keeping young men on track and they have strong forceful minds he is not the first and will not be the last who has tried but had things go wrong show a bit of empathy for that young men who may go back to Jamaica and have nothing.

That does seem to happen doesn’t Greymar?

I think there is a lot of blame shifting and lack of parental responsibility generally. These ghastly cases where small children are abused and killed, relatives appear crying and blaming various agencies.

The shifting of responsibility is not confined to this case.

Yes, I wondered about that and thought that they must have done.

I agree with you Callistemon, the father let down his son. I hope the other three sons have legitimised their residency status now they’ve seen what can happen.

We also had quite a lot of single parents, and the birth certificate would name both parents. We also had to be sure that there was a legal right for either parent to collect a child, rather off topic I know. It all got a bit complicated as the years went by, and the make up of families changed and we had far more families from abroad.

Whatever the rights or wrongs of Chevon Brown's deportation, his father can hardly blame the care system for moulding him into the man he is. He was unable to control him, Chevon got taken into care at 16 - until when? It is not compulsory after age 16, is it, purely voluntary until 18.
Father said he wasn't listening to me then claims he would have been able to keep him on track. Where has the father been for the last 7 years? Not keeping his son on track evidently.

The son has been deported after serving his sentence for dangerous joyriding possibly because his father did not regularise his status for him.
I would think that his father failed him and is blaming everyone else.

It may be individual authorities, I don’t know, but in the schools I worked in, a birth certificate had to be shown, but it was to establish age, not residency. We occasionally had children where there was no birth certificate as the children were born abroad, then they were issued with some sort of identity card in Britain, and that was shown.

My youngest child started school in 2002 and I honestly don't remember having to show his birth certificate or ay other evidence that he was entitled to be in the UK. When did the rules change?

To be honest, I can’t remember whether or not I did, but I’m thinking I did. However I was thinking of the schools I taught in, and parents definitely had to show some sort of documentation, usually a birth certificate, to show that the child was the correct age for starting school. But that’s for starting school, I don’t know what happened if the children changed schools, or if newly arrived children had to show any evidence of age.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I had to show a birth certificate when my own children (now 22 and 27) started school.

Thank you for the information ladies, I hadn’t any idea who he was. It seems he was deported around a year ago. Neither his father nor Social Services legitimised his status. I think the mother is in the USA. Pupils usually need to show a birth certificate or other legal document when they register at school, but the school would not have given any advice re legitimising his residency status, so probably a birth certificate was shown, or possibly a passport.

I've heard about similar case Missadventure. That's why, as a matter of urgency, I think there needs to be a government initiative to make sure that people know their rights and to make sure that those who are eligible for British citizenship, apply and that it's affordable and accessible.

The article state that the mother went to the US - perhaps she's still there.

I agree with you Joelsnan. I just don't know enough details, so I'm not swayed by the father's complaints nor that he deserved to be deported as a dangerous criminal.

I feel very uncomfortable about this case.

My friend didn't find out she wasn't a British citizen until she was in her late 20s and wanted to get married.

She had been fostered as a child, along with her brother. Her biological parents lived in Nigeria.

growstuff
I think I would be asking the questions of:
Why was he placed in care?
His father says he ‘went off the rails’. He blames the care system but states he could not deal with him. It looks like there was no contact between father and son from him going into care until he got notice of his sons deportation.
Surely the father would be the one responsible for ensuring the sons residency status, obviously this was not checked by the school or Oxford Social Services. I don’t know if you have to show a birth certificate or other to register at a school.
Where is the mother in this?
Could it be that she is in Jamaica
I would be interested to know if the driving offence was his first and only one.

BTW

Interesting that the Guardian article about Chevon Brown

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/12/ripped-from-my-family-deportee-struggles-cope-jamaica-chevon-brown

was written by Amelia Gentleman, who is Boris Johnson's sister in law. It's becoming increasingly clear why Jo Johnson resigned.

Thanks for the link Joelsnan.

As far as I can tell, he came to the UK at age 14 and was then placed in care at 16. I have no idea why.

During that time (or not long afterwards), it was presumably never explained to him that he should apply for British citizenship, if he wanted to remain in the UK. At some time, he committed a serious driving offence and served a prison sentence. There is nothing in the article to indicate he has ever committed any other offence.

I'm not excusing what he did, but there are plenty of British citizens who have done the same or similar. He's served his time in prison.

If he had been a British citizen, presumably he would be allowed to get on with his life. If he hadn't committed the crime, presumably he would be eligible to apply for British citizenship.

If I were him, I'd feel fairly miffed at being branded as a serious criminal alongside murders and rapists - unless there's some further evidence.

growstuff
Oxford Mail
www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/17420921.home-office-deports-oxfords-chevon-brown-jamaica/

Joelsnan I Googled Chevon Brown, but didn't find any details about him being in local authority care (not that I understand the relevance) nor that it wasn't about a simple driving offence. If you have any further authoritative details, I'd be grateful if you could post them.

As for his father knowing that his son would need to know that his children would need to apply for rights, I'm not totally convinced. Firstly, some people really don't know their way around the system. Secondly, it really can cost thousands of pounds for some people to be granted citizenship, which is money some people don't have. I would imagine some people just shrug their shoulders and think they didn't need to go through all their hoops and don't understand why others do. (Let's face it - we see that kind of attitude on GN all the time.) Thirdly, if he really was in local authority care, shouldn't the local authority have ensured that he applied for whatever he was eligible?

I'm not a rabid Corbynista nor do I think that the UK should be a save haven for all the world's criminals, but I do think there's something not quite right. Unfortunately, facts seem a bit thin on the ground, which is why I'd be grateful for any, if you have them.

Greymar
At least the streets and roads of Oxford are safer now that he's not driving on them.

Re Chevon Brown
He was supposedly brought here by his father at age 14, he must have reasonable knowledge of Jamaica at that age. By the age of 16 he was in local authority care. It was not a simple driving offence.
Apparently his father has lived here for 20 years therefore if. his father has British citizenship, he would understand that he needed to apply for the same rights for any children brought here.

I’m afraid you’ll have to enlighten me, who is Chevron Brown?