Deported to Jamaica before Windrush report

Would any of those cheering on like to comment on the case of Chevon Brown?

You might well ask Greymar

What on earth has the EU got to do with the discussion?

notanan2
So, according to your criteria a foreign Imam known to be radicalising young men and inciting them to terrorist acts should not be deported back to their own country, because they had been tried by a court of law, the Home Office should not protect both the young vulnerable men and the rest of the country.

notanan2
^ Under section 11(1) of the British Nationality Act 1981,^ ^a person automatically became a British citizen on 1 January 1983 if immediately before that date they:
• were a citizen of the UK and Colonies (CUKC)
• had the right of abode in the UK under section 2 of the Immigration Act 1971 as then in force^

Jamaica gained independence in 1962 and was no longer a British Colony. I presume Jamaicans were aware of and celebrated their new, non colonial status.
As a result of their ‘non colonial’ status, immigrants from this area were still allowed free entry to UK, however this was amended by the 1963 act and tightened further by the 1971 act. From this date automatic residency ceased apart from one or two exceptions. New arrivals post that date have always needed to apply for permanent residency as per 1971 criteria.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/820363/british-citizenship-automatic-acquisition-v3.0-ext.pdf

Here we go again. The remainers have found a new hobby horse. There can be no linking the deportation of serious criminals to racism. Is the law passed under Labour in 2007 a law rooted in racism? Or did the MP s of the day not really understand what they were voting for? As to some comments that appear to have been removed from this thread, is there anyone outside the radical Corbynista fraternity who positively does want serious criminals in the country? The law does not allow for the deportation of British citizens so we can do little about this. On the other hand, the law of the land does support the removal of dangerous citizens. I am afraid Tricia, if I may spell it correctly, you have a bizarre understanding of nation, borders, citizenship and related matters.

Absolutely Hetty, and if those drug mules are discovered carrying illegal drugs into the country, it seems completely reasonable that they should be arrested, and if they are not citizens of the UK, then deported aswell. I don’t care if they are black or white, but I do care that they should feel the full brunt of the law.

People who have already been sentanced by the courts shouldnt be sentanced again by the home office

While I don't condone their crimes, I expect our judicial system to treat people fairly. Realistically, there will always be drug mules arriving as long as there's demand here and poverty in their countries.

joelsnan prior to 1983 if you were born here to non citizens who had leave you remain or settled status you were a citizen. Your parents did not need to natralise. Then it changed

Well done GrannyGravy and maddyone for your reasoned and sensible posts.?
It certainly isn’t a black versus white people as far as deportations are concerned, statistics show that more white people are deported overall.
They are only given prison sentences after all else has failed, so will no doubt have been up in court many times.
There are enough really good causes to have sympathy with......this isn’t one of them.

GrannyGravy,
Thank you for the list, it is extremely interesting, and totally puts paid to the clearly completely incorrect assumption that black people are unfairly targeted for deportation. So racism it is not.

If people are arrested on arrival for bringing drugs into the country, then that is presumably because they are carrying drugs into the country. I can’t think of a single mitigating reason why, in the case of bringing drugs into the country, people should not be arrested.

3nanny6, a high proportion of Jamaican prisoners cannot be assigned to a geographical area. They are over-represented in the prison population and arrested upon arrival for bringing drugs into the country:

www.africanecho.co.uk/deborah-oct13.html

Shouldn't people who have served a sentence being given the right to show they have reformed?

Possibly yes, if it's their first offence. But if they've been a persistent offender, you have to to ask how many chances we're willing to give before they can be deemed to be beyond reformation. I can't help but wonder what the victims of the rapes, woundings, violent assaults and drug dealings think about us keeping the criminals here, in the devine hope that they will see the error of their ways and lead a productive and law abiding life.

notanan2
I think you will note the 1973 immigration act does not confer automatic citizenship on children born to parents with no permanent right to remain. One parent must have been a British citizen and if this is the father then there has to have been proof of marriage at the time of birth.

3nanny6
The issue with British Asians is that their parents will have secured permanent residency or they are children of those who arrived in UK before 1973 and are therefore often 3rd generation and born here. They are on the whole actual citizens of the UK. I am sure any found to be here illegally would be deported just as other nationalities are.

There are Windrush descendants who didnt know they werent British until they faced deportation, because when their parents came they were told their children would be citizens... then the goal posts changed!

Joelsnan being born here hasnt =ed automatic citizenship since 1983!

That's a good list GrannyGravy and as I asked in one of my previous posts on this thread .
"Why this sudden media coverage on these Jamaican charter flights" as they have been going on for years.?

I am glad to see that Pakistan had 800 deported as look at all the serious crimes over the last couple of years. The thing is you very rarely get big media coverage for deportations to Pakistan in fact the last one I remember was one of those clerics inciting hate crime and that was ages ago.

Oops “in the majority”

#SkyNews on Twitter Deportations between 2015-2019 average per year -

Romanians 1700
Polish 1200
Lithuania 600
Pakistan 800
China 300
Vietnam 210
Nigeria 350
Jamaica 220

If this is accurate Black people are not doing n the majority of those deported

Joelsnan I know you left a comment to growstuff and I am just pointing out that what you say in regard of the educational outcomes in white working class boys are quite rightly so not always good.
I never made any comments of racism in regard of black/Caribbean boys I only made my comparisons to other B.M.E. groups.

I would point out that statistics have shown that there is a high proportion of white males and black males serving custodial sentences possibly a high ratio of white males as black males. Depending on what geographical area you were looking at would define the white population in the prison to the black population. It shows that white males living in predominantly white area make up a higher proportion of the prison population and then black males living in a predominantly black area would make up the prison population for that area. In all it would probably be about the same numbers.
In regard of the prison population I would just say that prisons are full of Asian men and I very rarely hear of them being legally deported which is after all what this thread is about. Perhaps if some of them were returned to there other countries then we may hear a lot less of these terrible crimes we hear about,

growstuff
^ In addition to the above, the country needs to face up to the fact that racism still exists in the UK. Boys from black West Indian backgrounds (not African) have the worst educational outcomes and are more likely to drift into criminal activities.^

I think you will find the worst educational outcomes are in white working class hoys.
How does that sit with your racism claim?
Schools do not practice apartheid. Children from all classes, cultures and religions are in the same classes, taught by the same teachers (even in private education, unless specifically selective). So the opportunities are there for all.

Thank-you growstuff and my post set out how I see the deportation system is set up.
In regard of Jamaican Nationals being deported for just the reason of being in the U.K. and failing to return is high numbers. Obviously they should use their time to legitimise their status if possible but that is not an easy task.
Our church tried to help one of my friends (Jamaican National) we collected some money to start him off with a lawyer and you cannot imagine the cost of these fees and how much money a lawyer wants it starts running into thousands. The Home Office will then start saying we are going to deport you on such and such a date and if the lawyer has not been paid extra money he will then stop his work on the case so it is all a vicious circle.

In regard of the U.K. you are right that out of the ethnic minority groups statistics show that black/Caribbean boys are below the standards of other ethnic groups. In many towns you will find that they have Asian Welfare Trusts and these basically look after the Pakistani groups and those in the Islam schools, also you find that the Sikh community can look after their own very independently but the black /Jamaican do fall short in having such a backed up community status and need stronger leadership.
I sometimes do not like the policies of Sajid Javid but that is only my opinion and not the opinion of all.