Deported to Jamaica before Windrush report

* I meant Caribbean not West Indian.

3nanny6 I have some sympathy with your post. Deportations have been going on for years. I looked up the official figures and there have been thousands of them. I honestly don't know enough about the current cases, but it does seem strange that some of them are allegedly historic offences, the people have served their sentences and, as far as we know, haven't committed further offences.

I'm afraid I wouldn't trust a word of the government's claims, so it would be good to know the truth.

I think there needs to be some action on:

a) ensuring that everybody who came to the UK as a child knows the position with regard to applying for citizenship and the system should be as easily accessible as possible for those who are eligible. My understanding is that these people have been treated differently on the basis of citizenship.

b) there should be an urgent review of the way different groups are sentenced. If it's true that some ethnic groups are given harsher sentences for the same crimes, that needs to stop.

In addition to the above, the country needs to face up to the fact that racism still exists in the UK. Boys from black West Indian backgrounds (not African) have the worst educational outcomes and are more likely to drift into criminal activities.

I have some sympathy for those who are being deported however there is still the fact of the matter that some of them (perhaps not them all) have been incarcerated for some serious crimes which we should not forget were punishable through the courts. I did not make the law but as things stands the Home Office will repatriate these Jamaican Nationals to their birth country as in the words of the Home Office to protect the interests of the British people.

I an more interested why there is suddenly media coverage for these charter flights as they have been going on for years
Nobody has mentioned that at Gatwick Airport there are two holding centres, one is Brook House and very close by there is a second centre also for immigration holding. Brook House is for the detention of criminal types and the other holding centre is for those detainees without criminal convictions. Over the years the holding centre where the detainees have no criminal convictions only being they came here many years ago and illegally did not return to Jamaica they too are subject to deportation some of them having been in the U.K. for 10, 15 or even 20 years, and still they cannot get legal status and are being deported.
I do have a higher sympathy with those who have no serious criminal convictions and have known two Jamaican Nationals after being in the U.K. for 14 years were taken by immigration and subsequently boarded on a Jamaican charter flight and sent back. That was almost five years ago,
and I still keep contact with them, and I will not listen to people who say they can integrate back into the country they came from. Jamaica is a poor and impoverished country and there is hardly any work much of the areas are violent and crime ridden and just staying alive is a daily struggle for most. Nearly all deportees will not get the chance to return to U.K as if you have been deported you are banned from returning. The system is cruel to some of these people even though they committed no serious crime and do not have a criminal record.

If they were born here and had UK citizenship it would not be possible to deport them.

Hmmm, I wonder who you’re thinking of Gaga

I think the point is that these people weren’t born here AND weren’t citizens of the UK.

Instead of deporting the white one, we elected him. #racismintheuk #classwar

They were born here. Raised here. Didnt ask to be here. We made them. If theyre criminals theyre home grown and should be our problem to address

They weren't born here

That's the whole point!

I didn’t make them notanan, and I take absolutely no responsibility for their behaviour. My children are not criminals, I influenced them.

Well either would be good GrannyGravy and Greymar, but as I see it the problem is that people don’t go to prison for their first offence, or early offences, unless it’s murder or rape of course, so the track record for these people appears to have been poor with regard to offences.
Please correct me if anyone knows with certainty that I’m wrong.

They have abused the country that gave them a home.

They were born here. Raised here. Didnt ask to be here. We made them. If theyre criminals theyre home grown and should be our problem to address

At least the in Jamaica they do not have the same racial bias as is experienced in this country.

But they wont be accepted as Jamaicans in Jamaica because often they have no links at all there. The whole families came here a generation or two ago. They are seen as brits and often targeted. It can be a death sentance.

or commit a crime, get prosecuted, serve your sentence and grow up a bit and contribute to the greater good?

Commit a crime, get prosecuted, serve your sentence and then get deported.

Can those who advocate deporting criminals explain if they see it as fair that someone should serve a prison sentence here and then be deported? Wouldn't it be cheaper, fairer and more effective if they were just deported when they are found guilty? Or does this link the process far too closely to transportation something we stopped doing in the UK ages ago? And is deportation just the same process under another name?

Sign??? No way...No passport/Committed a crime/Leave!

See if any other country offers you the freedoms you enjoyed here. Absolutely no sympathy for those that wreak havoc in our society.
And that's from the child of an immigrant.

Exactly mum exactly

At least the in Jamaica they do not have the same racial bias as is experienced in this country.

I think the questions I raised earlier are very pertinent to this discussion. Jamaican lads may have ended up in prison for a drug offence while a white lad with a similar offence was fined and did community service.

Old I think the problem is that overall statistics will always mask individual differences. Statistics can tell us that one group are more or less likely to break the law/ do poorly at school/ vote Conservative/smoke/ be obese. What they can’t tell us is why this does not apply to everyone in that group. It’s about probabilities that should then inform the direction of specific areas of research. Some of the best research I ever read decades ago on lack of educational achievement and the working class, started from the statistical fact that working class children did less well at school. The researchers then took a group of educationally successful working class children and did in depth research into why, against the trend, they had succeeded. Fascinating ( and I found out why I had as well)

The 1.4 figure is for drug offences but it’s true overall across all offences that black males receive custodial sentences disproportionally to white males for the same crimes.

“If you’re black, you’re treated more harshly by the criminal justice system than if you’re white.”

Said on the steps of Downing Street by someone who should know

trisher I have lived in these poorer areas and have seen at first hand the difference between those who choose not to break the law and those who do. Both sets have the same problems, the same set backs, the same educational opportunities. I know of brothers where two have worked and made something of themselves and one became a criminal.

mumofmadboys you can also add to your very good points the fact that there is credible, official evidence that like for like crime, black males are 1.4 times more likely to receive an immediate custodial sentence than their white counterparts.

What on earth has that got to do with deportation? Start a thread if you want to discuss it.
maddyone I think if these people are persistant offenders (and there is substantial evidence to show manyof them are not) we are in a better position to monitor them and to regulate them than Jamaica is and that therefore we should look more closely at the whole system. If they are to be deported it shouldn't be on an ad-hoc basis of a plane load of people but should be done carefully with full cooperation between all the authorities concerned, so that Jamaica, if it accepts them understands and has all the details of the criminal activity they may bring with them. Because if they are a threat everyone Bitish, Jamaican or any other nationality deserves proper protection.

Good questions

Why are more black lads subjected to stop and search? Why are a higher proportion of black lads in prison? Why are you more likely to be unemployed if you are black?