Deported to Jamaica before Windrush report

Race issues:-

"Anne-Marie Canning, director of social mobility and student success at King’s College London, said that white working-class boys “are the most under-represented group in higher education” and deserved special attention"

www.theguardian.com/education/2018/may/10/white-working-class-boys-in-england-need-more-help-to-go-to-university

Trisher,
Are you saying that a British life is worth less than a Jamaican life? Or that Britain somehow deserves what it gets since these people lived here?
No, what I am saying is that these people are not the responsibility of Britain because they are not British. They have abused the country that gave them a home. They were not being deported because they are Jamaican or because they are black (are they black? White people live in Jamaica too.) They are not being deported because of racism or religion or anything other than the fact that they committed serious crimes. It’s really not difficult to understand.
Obviously I understand that you don’t agree with it, perhaps you could try to understand that I do agree with it.

mumofmadboys
How much has racism led to these people getting into trouble in the first place? We only have to look at outcomes for black lads to see how badly they do generally.

Why is it that the outcomes bad? They have exactly the same opportunities as all children in the UK. The race card is being blown totally out of proportion nowadays.

maddyone if as you seem to be saying one of these people is a murderer who has served a sentence in prison, but who you consider still a threat you are deporting them to Jamaica where presumably they will still be a threat. The only difference being it will be a Jamaican life at threat and not a British one.

Where did I say a Jamaican life is worth less than a life in Britain trisher? Please quote.
Are you saying a British life is worth less than a Jamaican life?
Mumofmadboys, you’re being silly now aren’t you!

If someone commits a serious crime in the UK and is not a citizen of the UK they should be deported.......regardless of colour, religion or anything else.

It is common sense to most people that you respect the laws of the country you are residing in, to not do so you forfeit the right to remain in said country.

Violent criminals should have exactly the same travel rights as other criminals do around the world.

Would you like to deport all criminals Maddy and put them on an island somewhere and forget about them?

So a life in Jamaica is worth less than a life in Britain, you do realise that is what you are saying maddyone

Racism, lack of compassion, responsibility to the people of Jamaica.

Lord give me strength.
Some of the comments on here are truly unbelievable.
What about compassion to the victims! What about responsibility to the people who live in this country! And frankly I don’t care if they’re white, black, brown, or sky blue pink with a yellow border!
They are violent criminals who have abused the country they have been living in, how absolutely disgraceful. They deserve to be deported. They are not citizens of this country. We owe them nothing.

Oldwoman70 that maybe the case but what you are in fact saying is that the lives of people in Jamaica are less valuable than lives in Britain. That it is OK for them to have people who are violent and who have murdered or raped sent to them, and although they are a poorer less developed country, they are expected to deal with them.
Those who are saying it isn't this country's fault have no idea about the pressures there are even on very nice families in poor areas, where gangs and drug dealers recruit and use children from a very early age. You may not live in such an area but have some compassion for those who do.

trisher the vast majority of people who grew up in this country do not resort to crime. Those who have been deported have been found guilty of serious crimes - some are repeat offenders. I am in favour of helping criminals give up a life of crime however, people can only be rehabilitated if they want to be rehabilitated.

How much has racism led to these people getting into trouble in the first place? We only have to look at outcomes for black lads to see how badly they do generally.

Much more money needs to be invested in the prison service and the rehabilitation of prisoners.We should be ashamed of our prison service. Recidivism is very high and we need to tackle what we can do to prevent this.

So we have criminals who grew up in our country who were drawn into crime here, who have served sentences in prison and who we have now sent off to another poorer country. The sheer ignorance and prejudice behind the posts saying send them back is terrible. Shouldn't people who have served a sentence being given the right to show they have reformed? shouldn't we have a responsibility to the people of Jamaica? Or is it OK for them to be raped and murdered?

Unfortunately only 17 were on the plane the rest are still here thanks to all the bleeding hearts and money grabbing solicitors.

Listed in my local paper

Who was deported?
Rape
1 convicted for rape and given an 11 year sentence
1 convicted of rape and given a sentence of 4 years and 6 months

Violent crime
1 convicted for a violent assault and given a sentence of 1 year and 3 months
1 convicted of wounding with intend to cause GBH, possession of a weapon in public place Violent offences against a person (Wounding) 7 years
1 convicted of a violent crime against a person and given a 8 year sentence
1 convicted for intent to supply class A drugs – 7 year sentence
1 persistent offender, whose most recent conviction was for drugs offences and intimidating a witness and given a total sentence of 11 months
1 convicted for importing controlled drugs and given a sentence of four years
1 convicted to supplying class A drugs and given a sentence of four years and six months
1 convicted to supplying class A drugs and given a sentence of three years
1 convicted of importing controlled class B drugs and given a three year sentence
1 convicted of supplying class A drugs (crack cocaine) and given a sentence of 3 years and 2 months
1 convicted of supplying class A drugs and given a sentence of 3 years and 4 months

Robbery and firearm offences:
1 convicted of robbery and give a life sentence
1 convicted of robbery, firearms offence, theft of a vehicle and possessing class A drugs, given a five year sentence
1 convicted for conspiracy to rob and possession of a firearm and given a sentence of 9 years

Personally, I am glad they are no longer a threat to the rest of us

Of course I have compassion for the victims of crime.

Criminals are someone's sons and daughters. People make mistakes. Some on this thread seem to lack any compassion.

My word

I imagine you'd have been chanting along with the others to let the Somali criminal off a plane that was deporting him

He was allowed off thanks to these 'compassionate' souls

He'd been involved in the gang rape of a 16 year old in this country

Any compassion for her?

People are never 'rubbish'. Hate the action but not the person

Criminals are someone's sons and daughters. People make mistakes. Some on this thread seem to lack any compassion.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

good riddance to bad rubbish

That is right Sparkling

Where is the gratitude for the country which took them in?

I can never understand the mindset of those who always seem to have more sympathy for criminals than their victims.

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.