Sensible Discussion on Labour Leadership hopefuls MK 2

I am a Liberal Democrat and as such have no say in the LP election but I can tell you that Keir Starmer would take more votes from our party and so I hope LP members vote for RLB or LN.

varian how can you be a liberal democratic and support the
far left ?

I do not support the far left or the far right annie When I look at the candidates for the leadership of the LP. I am saddened about how far leftt they are, compared to John Smith and other good LP folk. KS seems the best of a bad bunch.

So why do you hope Labour Party members vote for
Long Baily ?

i do not want LP members to vote for RLB or LN. I put country before party, as many Liberal Democrats have done to our cost. I hope that LP members have the good sense tpo vote for Keir Starmer.

Well, I was amazed, no, astounded, to find the hashtag #KeirStarmerdarkmoney popping up on twitter today.

Apparently orchestrated by the hard left (though no doubt with plenty of foreign bots orchestrated by goodness knows who - perhaps the tories who'd really like to see a leader elected who would kill the LP) and claiming that Starmer is being suspiciously cagey about where his funding is coming from - horror of horrors, could it be Tony Blair!

Some sections of the LP have a real death wish, don't they?

You know, varian I don't think that any of the Leadership candidates are monsters of loony left (and I mean really loony left) depravity. They're decent people who want a thriving mixed economy and some fairness and equality for everyone, not a country run for the benefit of the rich.

I didn't actually think that Lib Dems wanted anything much different.

I hope Keir gets it because he's not in thrall to the far left, but has good left wing principles.

Kier Starmer is now 20 to 1 on with Ladbrokes (so you would have to bet £20 to win £1) so it will be a major surprise if he does not win.

The Liberal Democrats betting is basically between Ed Davey, the odds-on favourite) and Layla Moran at 7/4. Daisy Cooper and several other names are outsiders.

I suspect many people from all major parties would like a thriving mixed economy with some fairness and equality for everyone. That is mostly my experience in real life where discussion is more balanced and less judgemental than often the case on-line.

Well, Cunco, if they're tories then they won't get it, however much they'd like it. Certainly not with this government.

Cunco, this Government are not the slightest bit interested in fairness and equality...

As I have already stated in this thread, I believe that it makes little difference who is elected as Labour Parliamentary Leader as they have all committed to maintaining the policies and Party structures that were brought forward under Corbyn.

However, who the new leader appoints to he shadow cabinet will decide whether unity has any chance of being achieved in the Parliamentary Party or if the party will be "consigned to the bin" in the not to distant future by the broader Labour movement and a fresh political arm brought into being.

Sadly, I feel the latter of the above two is the more likely outcome at this point in time.

Is there another concerted effort by the Long Bailey campaign to try and make accusations against Keir Starmers campaign?

Jon Trickett/Shadow Minister for the Cabinet Office and Long Bailey supporter has called for Starmer to release details of all his campaign donations using terms such as ' anti - democratic' and ' end the secrecy'.

Or is it simply a worthwhile question and no attempt to try and take votes away from him?

Another attempt to try to take votes away from him

I did mention this on Monday...

He's released the details. Nothing to get wound up about.

Maizied

So you did.

'Apparently orchestrated by the hard left (though no doubt with plenty of foreign bots orchestrated by goodness knows who - perhaps the tories who'd really like to see a leader elected who would kill the LP) and claiming that Starmer is being suspiciously cagey about where his funding is coming from - horror of horrors, could it be Tony Blair!'
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Now you know it was not Russian Bots or Tony Blair it looks pretty obvious it was from Long Baileys Campaign team. The same team presumably who accused Keir Starmer previously in the leadership contest over Labour’s ‘Dialogue’ phone bank and accused him of ' data scraping' and reported him to the ICO.

Happy to be corrected

growstuff Wed 04-Mar-20 21:20:04

'He's released the details. Nothing to get wound up about.'
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He has as far as I see it complied with the rules so that leaves only one answer, it was mud slinging hoping it would stick.

I suspect you're right POGS.

It seems that everyone is into using bots now, POGS.

The Russians have an interest in a weak Labour Party to dilute opposition to the tories. Setting the the various elements of the party at each others throats (or just exacerbating division) is just up their street.

Maizied

As you addressed me.

I am the first to recognise the use of bots and often remind posters who put links on Gransnet to what could be spurious /overtly political biased websites/facebook/twitter accounts that could indeed be Russian/Chinese Bot Factories/Fat bloke in a chair dribbling a curry down his vest sites. It doesn't stop some posters from continuing to use them but there has been an easing up lately on Gransnet so I hope there is either more recognition of their use by posters or posters being challenged when they use them I turn making them think twice before regurgitating their rubbish.

In this instance however this is NOT a Russian Bot factory at play it is from the Long Bailey Campaign so I am not sure what your point is, unless of of course you do not accept where the facts are leading to or you think the likes of
Jon Trickett/Shadow Minister for the Cabinet Office is working in a Russian Bot Factory, which I am sure you do not remotely believe but I am pointing out the credible voices behind the story.

Maizied

'The Russians have an interest in a weak Labour Party'
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The Russians would have preferred a Corbyn government rather than a Conservative one in my opinion so we differ once more.

The Russians would have preferred a Corbyn government rather than a Conservative one in my opinion so we differ once more.

The Russians are paying the tories, not Labour. They've helped to put the most worthless politician in the UK into the PM's job and I'm sure are looking forward to the no deal that we seem to be heading for as it will have a bad effect on the EU (though not as bad as on the UK) which they wish to destabilise.

I don't think Labour would have served their purpose half as well.

Surely the Russians would want a communist party

MaizieD has given a very good explanation of why Russia would prefer our current Government.

Ahem! I don't put links from dodgy sources on GN or anywhere else.